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Old 14th July 2008, 07:50 AM
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What would we think if we were born at the time Moses did His thing and Jesus did His...would we call it a hoax ? I don't think so and l know Jesus Healed and l know how Jesus Healed yet so many today say it was not .

Right lol ,, it was all a delusion and all the written words on our History of them doing unbelievable Miracles was a Hoax lol and a good Hoax l must say also . NOT .

Afraid not my friends and l was born in 1952 yet l know that Jesus did do what is written in respect to His Healings .

If God wanted us all to know that these Miracles were real we would all be doing them today but we are not , and not because we cannot do the Miracles but because God wants us to stay in Faith and l thank God for this because God has a Valid reason for this .

One of the problems facing Atheists today is why they cannot find valid proof of these High Profile Healings Jesus did . This is because if we all knew how exactly Jesus Healed the blind etc ,, we would all be doing it today and this would rule out Doctors and Hospitals etc but the bigger reason is that what Jesus did in His healing applications can be expanded to the point that we would take His Healing concepts and apply them to other areas and use the word 'energy' and so on to define His Healings but this is not happening today because God wants and needs it the way it is today and this is because God loves us and wants us to experience life and this wonderful Earth the way it is now and not with the Healing energy extravaganza used by Jesus .

Also God is keeping us in Faith because if Faith were changed to Fact the whole world would change and the Atheists would learn how to use the energy Jesus used as would all of us but this would cause the end so the truth is kept in the closet and not by chance but by direct intervention from God and it can be seen by some .

Yes Mr Benny Hinn etc is using God's love etc to Heal the many but Mr Hinn is not touching people at will and bringing them out of their comas as Jesus did because Mr Hinn and the other Faith Healers are only using God's energy , if you like , but Jesus used more than just God's energy to Heal and this can be seen also but even 'Jesus' thought God was doing Jesus's Healings but in the end Jesus found out from God exactly what was doing His Healings and in that respect , Jesus had to die because once God told Jesus how Jesus was Healing comas etc by touch , and with the rationale , Jesus then knew that Man cannot be told of this amazing reality and so Jesus knew they would kiil Him if He did not share with them exactly how He Healed , and as soon as God told Jesus how His Healings were accomplished in fine detail Jesus knew Man cannot be told this . So Jesus died rather than tell the world this amazing Healing concept and anyway God would not let Jesus tell even if Jesus tried to tell , but Jesus knew as soon as God told Jesus,,, that He was to die unless He told the truth of His Healings which Jesus could not do , due to the repercussions if Man knew this extended Healing knowledge . In that respect yes Jesus died for all of Man by not telling them how His Healings were done , in reality .
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comaprison doesnot make sense

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As I see it, the problem with "religion" is that it's rather like fast food or a TV dinner. You obtain it in ready-to-eat form, without having much input into its construction, and essentially all you have to do is say yes or no to the whole package.

Me, I would much rather cook up my own spiritual food from scratch.


Please note that fast food is also released as a waiste product in a bathroom or toilet but it cannot be the case with religion. So please first think before making such statement.

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Yes it is true that you can cook up the food as you like and eat it but
If you donot have proper knowledge about the ingredients used in it.
Than you can mess up the whole food and it may taste bad and might
become poisionous.

Similarly if you try to make of a religion of your own and reject what is
mentioned in the divine religions, then you can end up no where or at the dead end.

Religion is just like a Ship which securely takes you from one point to another
and the divine religion of God is just like a Ship, if you obey it and follow its
commandments then you are secure otherwise you drown.
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If religion were the practice of one's faith (not saying it is or it isn't) then anything from brushing our teeth to setting the alarm clock at night, could be considered religion.

I think your explaination is lacking something. Maybe purpose? Is the practice of religion not to get closer to/find/follow God? Religion is a path.

I respectfully disagree. Faith is often conceived of as a a path, or journey. Religion is the public practice or expression of that faith. You can't have faith in brushing your teeth or setting the alarm clock. You are confusing religion with ritual.
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Please note that fast food is also released as a waiste product in a bathroom or toilet but it cannot be the case with religion. So please first think before making such statement.
I stand by my statement. Religion is not immune from being discarded as a waste product when personal beliefs change. It can be nourishing at one stage of spiritual development and toxic at another stage.

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Yes it is true that you can cook up the food as you like and eat it but
If you do not have proper knowledge about the ingredients used in it. Than you can mess up the whole food and it may taste bad and might become poisonous.
Not a good analogy, in my opinion. There are cookbooks available. There are people who can show me how to cook. Once I learned the proper methods I began to teach myself and became fairly skilled in a short time.

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Similarly if you try to make of a religion of your own and reject what is mentioned in the divine religions, then you can end up no where or at the dead end.
In my opinion, all religions on this planet, without exception, are human creations.
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Is Religion necessary?

In my opinion, no. It is not necessary.

A religion is all too easily distorted by people (usually men) to get across their own message.

.... which message usually seems to involve the 'conversion' of those who follow other religions.
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The action alone of brushing your teeth could be considered a ritual, but belief in the actual action is done in hope (faith) of a desired result. Not?

An atheist has faith in many things, as Alan himself has pointed out in many of his posts....that does not make him religious. Or am I miss understanding something here?
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The action alone of brushing your teeth could be considered a ritual, but belief in the actual action is done in hope (faith) of a desired result. Not?

An atheist has faith in many things, as Alan himself has pointed out in many of his posts....that does not make him religious. Or am I miss understanding something here?

Isn't faith defined as belief in something that cannot be proven? Hence, "the mystery of faith?" I can prove that setting my alarm will wake me up in the morning or that brushing my teeth will make them healthier...

Do you consider "faith" and "belief" to be the same thing?
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Well, to me faith is belief plus action. Acting upon a belief, not necessarily a religious belief.

To me all actions done for a future result in mind.... are actions in faith.

Religion to me is believing in a set of beliefs. Religion groups certain beliefs together and are held/agreed on by all "members".
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Every time someone discusses religion I have a flash of the "Island of Dr. Moreau" and the horned beast man reading from the tablets of the LAW.
Religion is a good tutor, like training wheels.
Eventually one should outgrow such things and climb up the ladder some more.
Or not.
Then we can continue this episode of "Planet of the Apes" for a few more centuries. HMMMM.?!
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