Posture all you want, Nick, but the intellectual value of Simone Weil's pseudo-Christian pseudo-philosophy is slightly lower than that of a gnat.

OH Nick....you know there are some as you say...are trying to escape and perhaps living in there own little bubble.....I for one like my little bubble most the time...I think the human condition is the same for most...you know how they have clothes now with tags that read one size fits most.....well I say the human condition is the same for most....outside where the wiring is running a muck....you are calling it denial when one escapes...as in self talk things will improve ...are going to be fine...etc...and leaning towards people who relate to what there feeling...where there coming from at the moment...People look for validation....and that often is not a your right saying...but often just an acknowledgment...kinda of an i hear you.....does not have to be about right or wrong...it is not necessarily wrong to be who one is......we change from moment to moment...to who we are around....to if the sun is shinning ...to a movie just watched...each moment is new...hehe..yet now old..and with a new experience...I think i hear the denial you speak of and i for one think we are coming through that a bit.....we are getting more to understand...that not all has to be...oh are you not just so sweet...oh good job....at times truth is people think we are a horses hinney....and there is nothing wrong with that and it is how we behave with our not so good thoughts...and as social beings...we have learned and continue to learn skills to be social and not kill each other...i don't think there is denial to the existence...we are just all on different levels of understanding and stages of growth....and ways to handle who we are being and what we can and can not and what we will and wont be able to do and receive what we wish for our self....that whole action / reaction thingy....you want friends be friendly....thugs hang out with thugs...snooty hangs with snooty...manly men ...girly girls.....what is changing...all the differences are finding they can function together with continued growth and respect of each..
.....I dont see us and them and there is no group....differences are just spots of learning different subjects at different times.....not right wrong..but being ...again...i think....all good...
by the way it has been a while....good to read you again....

Sendy

All this business of thinking we are coming through anything is pure imagination. In reality our understanding remains the same. We think learning more knowledge increases understanding and it doesn't. I agree that the process of living is different reactions. Unfortunately these reactions include anything between the greatest compassion and greatest cruelty which we accept in ourselves only due to imagination. that makes up the majority of our lives natural for the loss of balance Plato describes. The loss of conscious balance or "presence," is compensated for with imagination,


Simone is astute enough to realize that all the horrors of the world are a result of this ignorance because we go with the flow just as you describe. We don't have the choice other than being psychological hypocrites which denies our "real needs and compulsions." Our being functioning through imagination denies anything other than hypocrisy and it is necessary that a minority come too admit the truth rather than bask in platitudes to serve as an awakening influence.


This is it in a nutshell. Imagination has closed off the inner space in our psych for grace to enter necessary for Man to acquire a more human conscious perspective. This closure assures that we will be victim to our own hypocrisy including the intense cycles of war and peace. Unfortunately, the skill, technology, and dedication assures war will become much more efficient for its aim of destruction. No cutsey pooh, nicey nice expressions can lessen this intensity. Only the gradual awakening to the human condition and the willingness to sacrifice imagination and platitudes can do so.

Simone Weil's authenticity and brilliance has allowed more people to feel the worth of being real. This is why even a filmmaker like Julia Haslett sees the value of a documentary on all this.

An Interview with Simone Weil

The bottom line is the need for more people willing to provide the awakening influence necessary in society to counter the growing effects of materialism and escapism in ourselves and in culture. The need is felt but the resistance as of now is too strong

I've experienced that fallacy of multifaith and its hypocrisy which defends itself against the reality of the human condition as Plato described even to the point of blind nastiness. This leads nowhere. It is only through the gradual awakening to the human condition and being open to help from above that there is any serious hope for the collective psychological evolution our species rather than continuing turning in circles leading to the results of life cycles including war and peace.

This is the choice we have. We can either build on secular lies or seriously make the efforts to experience what "Know thyself" means at the expense of our egotism. This is rough but unfortunately world conditions are such that humanity needs more of those with the courage and willingness to be open to reality. Our collective survival depends upon it.

Nick...I dont hear you saying anything any different then anyone else...just has a different spin...from your study path...i see awakening all over the place....i dont think people are as blind as many think...i think it only appears that way because of the banter and different language and paths one uses to come into awareness of self...the important thing i feel is to acknowledge for ones self that you are were you need to be and life will go as it should...that is my take....you come accross as very worked up...very passionate perhaps about this person you study...she is but one path and perspective...it i feel really is all good...not just using goody goody words to make anyone feel anything they dont...just my perspective...ya know...there will be things that continue to wake you and take you to new knowledge as i would hope for all of us..and it is all very circular....

Actually Simone is not part of my path though I believe it is in her.

Humanity is as blind as being suggested by Plato. It is only our imagination that denies being aware of the obvious. What you believe to be awakening is really just the process of life going around in a cycle and experiencing a favorable part of the cycle.

The whole point is that we are not as we need to be which makes the intellect useless in this regard


If we have the courage to be brutally honest it becomes obvious that this is so only because a great mind is victim of the same hypocrisy normal for the human condition..

Simone's great value is that she is not part of a group that can be assaulted. She is like this extraordinary comet that enters our atmosphere, stirs things up, and leaves. With her one cannot attack a path but are forced, if we have the courage, to seriously contemplate greater ideas. This process of stirring things up is precisely the awakening influence necessary for human survival. It is embarrassing for me as a man to admit this young woman dwarfs me in mind and heart not to mention that she had more inner balls than I do. It doesn't do any good to get insulted so I admit it and profit from my awareness of her. If she is more of a man than I am in this way, it isn't her fault.

It is not that I'm worked up but only realize the necessity during these critical times for a sufficient amount of people having come to experience the reality of the human condition that we live in sleep and begun to deal with it for the growth of their being.

It used to amaze me that people could appear to be tolerant and express the value of tolerance yet be so nasty, insulted, and condescending towards expressions concerning the reality of the human condition. I of course read of it in the Bible and in Plato but underestimated the truth of it.

It concerns me now since I've come to see the importance of awakening to the human condition for the sake of humanity and for our own personal being. Coming to see this leaves me no alternative but to side with these rare people of understanding.

There are many secularized imaginary paths and they are all equal in that they ignore the human condition so are only expressions of fantasy and wishful thinking. The survival of humanity requires a minority capable of more than this.

It is only our imagination that denies being aware of the obvious.

Exactly

ok ...Nick...you say:
what is it ...you think we need to be capable of...Do you feel you have an insight that is above most...that is kinda what i am hearing...what does it look like....what behaviors are there in your scenerio of how it should be..what it is we need.......I am hearing from you we live a lie...we are asleep and this Simone lady seems to be like a mentor to you...her thinking of us living a lie you find to be truth...right...And what would you say is the human condition....


I would beg to differ the above...I feel we are just as we should be.....and even if we are not....would you not think that to say the intellect is useless is a bit over the top...

Of course we would disagree as to our concepts of the obvious.

For example, the obvious to me theoretically is the conscious awareness of the objective purpose of man which is to consciously connect levels of reality. In Christianity these levels are called heaven and earth. "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" is a cosmological expression of purpose. It really is only the lack of conscious balance as described by Plato that creates the imagination which denies the obvious for us and replaces it with fascination with the shadows in Plato's cave. This fascination results in both the secularization of the sacred teachings and their perversion into escapism.

In short we need to acquire conscious presence. In a previous post I quoted Plato's explanation of the balanced man which is only possible through conscious intent to acquire presence. As we are, we are out of balance and are incapable of presence. If humanity as a whole had conscious presence, there would be no wars. Lacking conscious presence we are creatures of reaction in slavery to societal standards so follow the cycles of life normal for the hypocrisy natural for the lack of conscious presence.

Only a few are capable of feeling that lack of meaning normal for our lack of presence and be drawn to make the necessary attempts to retain conscious presence. Simone Weil was one. Could you be capable of feeling the following:



This puts us at odds with the world and for those in it going with the flow, such a philosophy could be considered lunacy. We don't have this need for several reasons so are content with imagination.

Living a lie simply means being content with imagination to satisfy the need to experience higher meaning. This need though is a motivation for awakening and only a few have it sufficiently to struggle with their egotism.that denies it.

The intellect as it is normally defined is useless for the conscious experience of levels of reality. It requires a higher quality of thought known as pondering that we've sacrifice for the quickness of technological satisfactions. This is hard to explain but I'm not the only one that says it. In fact I become aware of the reality of human psychology from those far more astute than me.

SPIRITUALITY AND THE INTELLECT with JACOB NEEDLEMAN


As I said, I thank the powers that be that sustain a minority of people capable of keeping the potential for conscious presence alive in the world. Jacob Needleman is such a person.

If it makes me elitist to be influenced by such deeply human people such as Simone Weil and Jacob Needleman concerning human conscious potential sacrificed to secularism and the glorification of associative thought then I'm content to be an elitist. I've experienced how revolting such ideas that reveal our nothingness are to the secular mind but also being aware of how valuable they are for a minority, I choose to side with the "elite" that recognize society as the "Great Beast" described by Plato. Lacking any collective consciousness from being separated from grace, it can be nothing other then a reactive beast in slavery to the cycles of life including war and peace. A human being has the capacity to become conscious and more than just a reactive part of the beast and consciously participate in the cosmological process that allows "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven."

This appears to be a shadow on a wall as viewed by a prisoner.

In the Cave Allegory what the prisoners saw was their reality at the moment. The allegory is about education and the stages of enlightenment. It's not about perversion into escapism.

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