Everything is relative to your point of view.
So, no, such absolutes, if they exist at all, are rather meaningless to us at our position on the ladder.
Again, you would need absolute knowledge to determine objective good which no human possesses.

ok...i can be very lazy...this subjective and objective stuff...and every meaning found it still then can yet be different for who it is that reads it...

if the earth should disolve for what ever reason..what it is that comes through us i think lives on....

things i think are not good and bad but how we deal with situations ...how we grow and learn from all situations and further accept change...change no matter what level is constant..what does not have to change is inner peace..

all are learning in there place

The responses I've read so far indicate to me that most feel that the good is purely subjective and defined by us. We don't value Kant defining reality in terms of phenomena and noumena as well as Plato's contention that the objective good is a quality pertaining to the world of forms.

Naturally then if Man is destroyed there is no longer "good." However, consider Genesis 1: KJV



What is the light if as yet there are no stars and why is the light called "good?"

EH asks:


The light or the good is defined as such through its objective relationship to darkness. But without stars, what is the distinction between the light and darkness and what is meant by "day" and "night" in this objective context without our measurements to define it?

If the objective good exists as the relationship between light and darkness long before the creation of Man and more as a quality of being , it raises the question if the objective "good" is the initiating quality of what Kant called noumena and Plato referred to as the world of forms.

But if we believe that the concept of "good' centers around us as a subjective quality pertaining to our goals, how are we ever to understand the "light" and what we could we lose by not doing so?

Sendy remarks that "what does not have to change is inner peace.."

But to do so requires becoming like a duck and functioning well on two different levels. Who can do it? How many have the conscious quality capable of reconciling above and below? Who can behave like a duck: keep calm & unruffled on the surface, but paddle like hell underneath functioning as necessary in both worlds?

Hi Nick

Thank you for your response and I will gladly discuss ACIM or anything else for that matter as best I can

However please be gentle with me as I dont understand most of the words you can use


In ACIM it does say that "presently that is only potential in us " but it continues on to say that ALL will remember in time

It is of course up to us what we choose to look upon and when


So IF God is LOVE then what is real and what isnt real?

Good or Bad become irrelevant

Nick...you have this back wards...


on the surface you may appear to be like a fish out of water...but the inner almost always stays at peace..but it is the tall tale when one appears like the fish out of water that we are out of kilter...

Are you writing from theory or practical experience? I agree that we can reach deep states of meditation. However I must admit that when I am involved with life as with being late or being annoyed with something or someone for example, I am not the duck. There is no simultaneous experience of the higher calm and my emotional and physical turmoil. Rather than being a conscious being I become a reactive thing. Only later do I admit to it being the case. Is your experience different?

Don't forget that in the duck analogy higher consciousness is above the water while are reactive presence is beneath the water. Our trouble which is the result of the human condition is that we are opposite. Our reactions are dominant. We lack the ability to unite the higher and lower as would be normal for Man but for the human condition. This is another reason why contemplating the objective "good' as a reality greater than ourselves. We are considering the question from the bottom up rather than from the top down.

Nick...all i have is my life...life experience is my teacher..sorta...i say sorta..because the knowing is from with in..or perhaps a better way to say...comes through...the two come together and things are see able...and yes the outer behaves bizarre when one gets caught of guard...and the inner needs a breath to level back out...kinda like when the heart rhythm is not correct and they jump start you to reset it...

I'm not trying to put you on a spot here but you raise the question of intuition which is a topic in itself. You assert the value of "knowing is from with in." I agree but as sleeping humanity what we call inner knowing is more often then not a compromise issued by a defense mechanism.

Again this isn't an attempt at a gotcha but rather the same concern expressed by many ancient traditions including Christianity. Have you considered the possibility that much of inner knowing is an expression of a defense mechanism offering a compromise so that we do not have to experience contradiction normal for the human condition? If you have, how do you tell the difference?

Hey Nick..your not putting me in any spot..i am in the spot i am in...this knowing is but for me not to prove for another i trust we are all as we should be where we should be learning our individual lessons...that is just a thought not a knowing..not even for what knowing comes through at times..i have had several close to death experiences and one i have no doubt that i was dead ..and those are the big ones...it really is almost like a magic...but i am not really sure just of how i get it to work..then perhaps..it is the inner or what is allowed to come through that is working for me...all i know is i can fully trust in it no matter what....this is kinda silly really..because no matter the desire to express..and knowing there are those who dont understand the lack of words able to use..that is the bottom line..the truth is there are not words..just a knowing..it is seen in every aspect of life..and it is for all to see...for all to get ...have you ever had a whole conversation and wonder where the heck what you had to say came from..and the info was all on the money...that happens a lot..then there is sincer what others would call praying...and it all...almost all shows up....my answers almost always appear in other words..most questions i think we know the answer then not long from asking it is most often validated....this is sound bites Nick...maybe it will help...I am not sure what your looking for..i hope nothing more then sharing different spots...i dont think there is anything to find out or to know..we know it...it is the human nature for us to continue to share stories and learn of each others paths...but not i dont think dictate or make wrong ...i spend more time in silence then typing..accepting the lack of words...

Nick wrote:

This is assuming that there is no other life forms to qualify such things?
The universe doesn't revolve around us here on earth.
We are a small speck in a small arm of a small galaxy.

Besides whatever or whomever God is would still be around to make such calls as to what is good or not.
God is a being who according to the scripture is Elohim which is not a single creature, but both male and female (as it says later in the text that we are made like God both male and female).
This being(s) had a vision/goal as to what they wanted to make and when they succeeded it was pronounced as being good.
This is subjective as it is relative to the point of view of the being(s) making the statement and has nothing to do with ultimate or absolute good.
Such arguments are designed to set precedent for later pronouncements which give authority to those who know what this absolute good is.
Many cult leaders have used this before to establish their authority over the sheeple.
Never has nor will there ever be any human who knows what absolute good is as this would require absolute knowledge which our minds cannot contain, other than dimly.