The Rejection Of Death - Page 4

vivamis123 · #31 (**permalink**) 30th July 2008, 06:52 PM

Yes, Earl I agree completely with your post concerning soul vs. spirit. So, death in that sence could maybe only be to the soul/individuality?

cardero · #32 (**permalink**) 1st August 2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick_A

Cardero asks:

But what of the individual? In our current stage of societal development, its gradual descent into materialism assures us that death will only be considered by society as a whole in the context of our physical existence. But what of the individual that senses more in it? If their concerns become known it will annoy both the fundamentalists and secularists and whatever else around them that believe they have all the answers.

Suppose such an individual begins to consider if Jesus" death was the highest quality of death Man is capable of? He wonders if Jesus experienced the final Armageddon within his own being where all the emotional and physical agony of the Crucifixion was witnessed through his conscious will somehow establisning a connection between above and below? How does this pertain to re-birth?

The Fundamentalists will reject such speculation from the belief that Jesus is God. Secularism will reject Jesus as the highest quality of death because of this modern idea, natural for the growth in materialism, that Jesus was some sort of political Rabbi that got strung up. Naturally under such circumstances, the quality of death other than its relationship to our physical bodies is meaningless. However for those, and especially the young, who appreciate what is meant by quality of life, and believe there must also be a quality of death, it is good that the traditions making such things understandable have been kept alive for those willing to make the efforts to find them at the expense of the growls of fundamentalism, atheism, secularism, or any other ism. They can begin to explore psychology as distinct from its modern expression as behaviorism, from the point of view of the study of "being." It is only through the study of "being" IMO that quality of death can be understood and the connection between quality of life and quality of death can be rightly appreciated.

I do not think that quality of death is something that GOD rates. I cannot see GOD with a panel of angels holding up cards numbered 1-10 like the do during those diving sporting events. The way or reason a person exits this world should not be a concern (the method of death is not going to be reprimanded or corrected). I also do not believe that the quality of death should be left or critiqued by the survivors. I would prefer to take this judgment out of their hands. But there is an interesting correlation to the Jesus death (and life) that we can articulate.

1. It is speculated that Jesus knew when (and possibly how) he was going to die.

Sometimes people who are elderly or terminally ill can accurately determine how close they are to death. My mother assumed such knowledge before her passing and made the appropriate preparations

2. It is speculated that Jesus may have remembered and fulfilled his purpose in his physical incarnation.

I am of course not referring to the emphasis that followers pinned upon him after his death concerning salvation but the reference to achieving the maximum purpose to complete his understanding and live the life the way that Jesus wanted to live his life (not necessarily the way others expected him to).

I would also include arthra’s philosophy about death being an transition so that we can teach people that there is no loss to the survivor(s) just the discontinuance of establishing new memories (which is something that people shouldn’t speculate about anyway).

Another thing that I would like people to reflect upon (and this sort of sides with the preparation discussion) is the reliance on someone who is passed. This would be the most difficult aspect of death to convince someone of. People rely too much on the physical presence of someone that when a love one passes they act as if they are lost or incomplete (this of course depends on the relationship). We need to reinforce the reality that life is for the living and that the decision to carry on must be realized immediately and effectively.

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