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Old 29th July 2008, 07:38 PM
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This is very exemplary of the problem you are having on this forum. You assume no one but you can discern truth. You appear fearful to reveal this person's name. You are afraid to stand by your own choices or you would reveal this person's name.

When you have worked more with your inner self you will have your own revelations and won't have to depend the revelations of others.

I hope you have the courage to start a new thread on the above mentioned person and open a discussion on whether or not this person was or is great.

You don't realize how unfair this is. There are times in a person's life that IMO they can be open to something that reveals the value of shedding imagination. I could write about someone like this person who definitely confronts our egotism and raise the most wonderful growls. Unfortunately though they easily transform into negative preconceptions and it would be immoral IMO to further negative preconceptions when at a time in someones life they may be open to it but deny themselves the opportunity from acquired preconceptions partly established by me.

When I first met Bettejo on another site she had lived a very hard life but was rescued by the church and somehow acquired a degree in theology. Her hard life made her appear cold to many and was ridiculed as such. From my path I sensed a deep person rather than a cold one and we became friendly. We traded PMs and she asked where some of my ideas were coming from and I gave her some sources and we had many profound discussions. They have been a help to her simply because she was open. When she went to Iraq as part of a peace team and witnessed what had happened to children, it was only her ability to be open without cracking allowing her to stay to help rather then leave as some did. It was this openness, to impartially witness this horror that esotericism protects and enhances.

With Simone it is different. She came as some sort of strange comet that entered our atmosphere stirring up everything and provoking sincere pondering. I know when I first discoverred her I knew this was the heart of someone like Mary Magdaline and as a man felt embarassed in front of her. She had no desire to become what she has become. She didn't have the goal of increasing the conscious awakening influence into the sleeping world. It has been those like Albert Camus and T.S. Eliot who initially discovered and published her writings only because they believed they were a necessary influence in the world. There haven't been enough battles yet and she is like an open book without any sugary platitudes.

With other older awakening influences, the growls have already established negative preconceptions. This is why it is safer to discuss ideas especially if they appear new. A person is more open to them. A name often just turns people off.

The name "God" is a turn off for many and sets up a block. Yet if we know that God is "meaning" and instead of using the word God we use meaning instead, it doesn't close people off and there is less hurt. Consequently we can discuss meaning in ways we cannot discuss God.
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...it is more polite just to consider ideas rather than names in such a secular setting that is so quick to label and be governed by labels without experiential understanding.

Yet you are very quick to label all of us (unjustly) as being secular which implies that we are somehow not worthy to know these trivial details just because we have a different outlook than you do.
You do not know me at all yet you lump me and everyone else into a category which is inappropriate.
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Yet you are very quick to label all of us (unjustly) as being secular which implies that we are somehow not worthy to know these trivial details just because we have a different outlook than you do.
You do not know me at all yet you lump me and everyone else into a category which is inappropriate.

Why be so selfish? Suppose what I am saying is true and I could hurt someone? You are willing to sacrifice them for the sake of pride?

If I didn't care I would just go shooting my mouth off. I know secular ignorance quite well. I know how it blindly supported genocide denial and the associated partial destruction of my family and heritage. I know how it seeks to demean the value of Christianity by asserting Jesus as some sort of secular political rabbi that got caught and strung up. You cannot get much worse. But I know it is in ignorance so still worry inwardly about hurting people through the unconscious creation of misguided negative assumptions. If I am aware of the human condition, I cannot be insulted by it.

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5"And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

7"Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! 8If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

There is a lot of karmic truth to this. I wouldn't want the karma of so many of these secular or New Age teachers perverting people new (little ones) to the search. This is why I refuse to prostitute the deeper ideas that bring inner life.
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