Are We Gods?

[metis]

One of the things that has been ascertain by physicists since the 1920's on is that the observer has an effect on the observed. IOW, what is being observed is at least somewhat altered because we are observing it. As some of you may have already figured out, I'm referring here to what eventually has been called "quantum mechanics". Physicists know this is taking place but are unable at this time to know why it's taking place and, therefore numerous hypotheses have been proposed. But either way, it appears that we have an impact on energy/matter even by just merely observing it.

Jump to the conclusion of various Jewish sages who believe that God did not complete creation so that we could make Earth or own so, therefore, humans may be referred to as "co-creators" with God.

Jump to Hinduism, whereas many schools teach that we all are just a part of God and, therefore, are sort of like demigods. These schools essentially take a pantheistic point of view whereas God is intrinsic with creation itself.

So, between quantum mechanics, the concept of "co-creation", and the idea we are a part of God, essentially Are We Gods?

[Astreja]

Are we gods? Well, I'd like to think so; else I'll have to rename My blog.

If everything in the universe influences everything else, perhaps what we've got here is polytheism at the microscopic level that combines to make something akin to pantheism.

[jacknky]

"God" implies the supernatural. We are very much a part of the natural world.

[Schizophretard]

I don't know about you but I definitely am because I have the ability to observe things that don't even exist and I'm the only one with the ability to see them.

Honestly, I don't see how effecting something by observing it is more god like than effecting something by touching it. There is a difference between effecting and creating.

No one has successfully explained to me what is meant by our observation effecting things in quantum mechanics. Please explain. Don't get to technical. I'm a visual person so please explain it in a way that I can visualize it like a thought experiment. I find this very interesting so if you do this for me I'll try to observe you a million bucks.

[statrei]

The OP is based on the unsubstantiated assumption that to be a creator is to be a god and vice versa. Nothing is further from the truth.

[metis]

Originally Posted by Schizophretard

No one has successfully explained to me what is meant by our observation effecting things in quantum mechanics. Please explain. Don't get to technical. I'm a visual person so please explain it in a way that I can visualize it like a thought experiment.

One of the classical experiments I'll describe, but without a graphic of some type, I don't know how clear I may be. But here it goes anyway.

Imagine a box with two tiny pin-holes at either end and a laser beam that shoots through the first hole and then through the second one as well. Now, since a laser has a very thin beam, one whom is outside that beam but still observing what's going on should not be able to see it if there's a partial vacuum (air can bend light). However, time and time again it has been observed that one may actually see the light.

For some reason yet unexplained, the photons seem to react with the person doing the observing. This type of process has been observed in another way, namely that no matter how fast we may be going, light still travels into our eye at exactly the same speed. Supposedly that shouldn't be since if we're traveling towards the light, logic tells us that the speed of the light reaching our eye should be faster than if we're just standing still. What does change is the wavelength, however.

Essentially what we know is that sub-atomic particles, such as photons, do not behave in the more orderly way that mega-matter tends to do. But the implications of quantum mechanics is that the universe is less predictable than previously thought. One ramification of this, for example, is that it is now believed that different sections of our universe may not operate under the same laws of physics that we may find in another section and, indeed, there's additional evidence that's been observed to further demonstrate that this well may be the case.

If you're confused, welcome to the club.

I find this very interesting so if you do this for me I'll try to observe you a million bucks.

Yah, I know, the check's in the mail.

[shaw-n]

So this would indicate that thoughts are tangible at least in the realm of subtle energies and quantum forces.
One could argue that position as the evidence indicates something like that is going on.
It also shows that we are more intimately connected to the reality around us than many like to think.
So much for being just an individual then.
Sure you are an individual, but you are also something more than merely an individual.
What, exactly, is still being debated.

[metis]

Originally Posted by shaw-n

It also shows that we are more intimately connected to the reality around us than many like to think.
So much for being just an individual then.
Sure you are an individual, but you are also something more than merely an individual.

Which is right out of the centuries of teachings found in both Hinduism and Buddhism-- everything appears to be interconnected in some way.

[shaw-n]

Too bad it is all so mysterious and obscure.
The reason for that being, again, another mystery.
You sure have to be a good detective, like sherlock holmes, to make any progress here.

[jacknky]

Originally Posted by metis

Which is right out of the centuries of teachings found in both Hinduism and Buddhism-- everything appears to be interconnected in some way.

And that, my friend, is simple enough for even me!