WORLD’S MOST EVIL BELIEF

The eternal torment theology of the Arminian Christian relies on so-called “free will” and luck.

The god that Arminian eternal tormentors profess to love says to his fallen creatures

“Unless you are lucky enough to find out about my son during this lifetime, and even if you are that lucky, if you don’t have the good sense to cooperate with my son properly before you die, then I am going to raise you from the dead and I will sustain you alive in an inescapable state of eternal torment forever.”

The eternal torment theology of the Calvinist Christian relies on God alone, not “free will” at all. It is summed up by the word TULIP: Total depravity, Unconditional election, Limited atonement, Irresistible grace, and the Perseverance of the elect.

The god that Calvinistic eternal tormentors profess to love says to his fallen creatures

"I created most of you for the purpose of torturing you forever. However, I am going to choose a few of you undeserving ones to go to heaven where you will be happy forever." John Calvin said there will be infants a span long in hell because they were not among the elect. (A span is the distance between the tip of the thumb to the tip of the little finger.)

And then both the Arminian and Calvinistic eternal tormentors say that the feelings that they have for this god of theirs is “love.”

Without God’s sustaining power everyone would cease to exist. So if anyone were to suffer forever, our all-powerful God (Who is Love in essence, not just loving) would be fully 100% responsible for it. We would have to conclude that any definition of the manifestation of “love-in-essence” includes eternally sustaining people alive in an inescapable state of suffering.

What a travesty; what a revolting definition of love it is that God, Who is love personified, would grant any creature a will so strong that they can choose themselves into an irreversible state of never ending suffering (Arminian) or deserve to suffer forever just by being born into the human race (Calvinist)!!
Thank God the Bible does not teach such insane ideas!

Copy and paste into Google the following two links

SAVIOR OF THE WORLD SERIES

And

ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST

Dogma can be a dangerous thing.

The reports I have heard from those who have experienced enlightenment is that the divine or our true nature is benevolent. They experience a state of peace and bliss.

It makes one wonder why there are those that preach such a hateful and harmful message.

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Can it ever!!!

Geta load o' this -

Fruit from the Teaching of Hell

WHAT GOD’S LOVE IS REALLY LIKE

God is Love

The Bible says that God is love. Love is not just one of God’s attributes.

God is not just a loving individual. God is love in essence.

What a travesty; what a revolting definition of love it is that God, Who is love personified, would grant any creature a will so strong (Arminian) that they can choose themselves into an irreversible state of never ending suffering! Or, they deserve to suffer forever (Calvinist), just because they were born into the human race.

Love Divine
by D. Buchanan

“FROM the lips of love's apostle, exiled for love on Patmos' lonely isle, there sounds out in the saying, "God is Love," the most concise and comprehensive utterance in all language, the most sublime declaration of truth by mortals ever heard. These three one-syllable words reveal the character of God and make it to be known that behind things, as the source and fountain-head from which they spring, there throbs the one great heart of infinite, unchanging love.
Although, to finite understanding, life may meanwhile seem a tangled skein, and providence a confusion, yet when all the processes of Love have run their course, then it will be seen that the history of the ages, the story of the race, can be written with one small word, the term of infinite fullness that tells us what God is.
"God is Light" and "God is Love." Light, in passing through a prism, is separated into its component parts and appears as the seven colors of the rainbow. Each separate shade is a manifestation of light, and, although no one color in itself is light, yet without it light would not be what it is. So, too, the invisible love-light of Deity, passing through the prism of divine providence, appears as mercy, as righteousness, as goodness, as power. The operation of each attribute is a manifestation of love, and although no one quality in itself is love, yet without it, love would not be what it is. As the blue is in contrast to the red in the rainbow hues, so righteousness is to mercy in the spectrum of love. When the mercy manifestation of itself accomplishes God's purpose, then mercy is glad that righteousness was not required, for "mercy rejoiceth against judgment." Yet the heart that moves the mercy hand is the same heart that, if need be, moves the judgment hand, and that heart is God, and God is Love.
God loves just because He is Love, yet Love's hope in loving is to create and call forth love; hence Love's victory is love reciprocated, love returned. So it is that Love, mingling mercy with righteousness, moves ever on, longsuffering and kind, but failing never, until at length the creature heart responds in fullness, to love unbounded and divine.
And when, at length, humanity, redeemed, ransomed, transformed by the divine from which it sprang, has thus taken on the likeness of Love's perfect Man, the Man of Galilee and Golgotha, then Love, the Alpha, will likewise have become the Omega of all things, the atmosphere in which we live and move and have our being, and the universe will be flooded with divine affection.”

Google up THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD SERIES EBY

and

ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST

for the scriptural evidence that God has the desire, ability, and determination to save all fallen creature from everything from which they need to be saved.
The Law of Circularity

I have expereinced God direct and I will assure you that "God is Love"

When expereinced the message is for ALL and not i but I (The completed SON)
What you expereince in Revelation os the Completed SON and this is why Jesus refers to himself as the Son of God just as I would now
We are the same - You me Jesus - One Mind

Anyway

The message is that we are forever Loved - Eternal and completely as created
It appears it is somehow our own beliefs that have seperated us from this Reality

So.........


Why all the doctrines claiming God will punish or harm us etc

Fear

It is Loves opposite

Fortunately in Reality it doesnt exist
Only in Adams dream



Picture a child that believes its done something wrong - hiding from its Father in the dark imagining its guilt
The Father looks upon the Child with only Love but until the Child looks, he will not see his innocence
We see our innocence through our brothers, through forgivness - Its as close as you can get to heaven in this place
See another forgive and hold out his hand in peace no matter what the World tells him and you will see the beauty in that
This was the meaning of baptism - not the rituals we see today
Johns washing away of the past was the forgivness of what has never happned and was the awakening moment for Jesus.
Baptism is to recognise that Gods Son was is and remains innocent
Unless God created something other than SELF - LOVE



All we need do is accept our innocence


Via Forgivness of what has never happened


So ................. One little snag


ALL OR NOTHING


Gods SON is either wholly innocent or "dreaming"


Simple as that


Love ALL as yourself for they are YOU

GOOD STUFF TONY. YOU HAVE A GREAT PERSPECTIVE!

"Thank God the Bible does not teach such insane ideas!" I must of read the wrong book! I lost my faith in Christianity because I was convinced that the Bible wasn't the infallible inerrant word of God and the concept of Hell was one of the reasons I thought it was all made up. I must of been deceived by Satan that it was the Bible I was reading! Where do I find the real Bible?

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Hi Rodger

I cant claim to anymore than being shown what "we" are

It is a remembering and is given to all

Thats the only real purpose of time

To find our SELF

Just wanted to add that the idea that all who expereince God will go through Jesus

That is 100% correct

BUT

Do we need to believe in Jesus ?

No !

Jesus simply bridges the distance between us and God - He doesnt say "no sorry you cant come in because you dont believe in me"

Yet you have to believe in what he symbolised to awaken

Love of all BROTHERS and forgivness of what has never happened - for if it had happened God would be mocked indeed