The universe doesn't manifest from anything, it's the universe.

I respectfully disagree. If it doesn't manifest from anything, then we couldn't experience anything within it with our body/mind/sense complex.

...unless we are using the term in different manners.

The universe to me is everything that can be heard, felt, seen, tasted, and smelled (in that order) as well as that which can be experienced, thought of, contemplated, or imagined. All of that manifests from that which IS. I choose to call it Brahman, but others refer to it differently.

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Why?


There's no reason to think that any of it manifests at all.

Everything hasn't worked up to today? That isn't what we observe. We observe the events of the past as causing the events of the present and future. That is why it is important to study history and why we plan for the future. It sounds like you are taking cause and effect out of your understanding of time. We know cause and effect exists because we observe it, so we must include them in our understanding of time.


I think since there is no finish to infinity that it can't be counted. We could always be counting if we had an infinite amount of time but we would never get to infinity. Infinity isn't really a number. It has no digits. It can't be counted to because only numbers can be counted to.


Can you at least explain to me what evidences lead you to believe that time is infinite, so I can understand why you believe this way? Do you know anything I could read online to explain the concept of infinite time?

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1. Cause and effect is not an absolute phenomena in reality.
2. I wasn't saying anything about cause and effect, I was pointing out that it is irrelevant to state that "today" is any more special than yesterday or tomorrow. Given the infinite amount of time and counting all numbers for that infinite amount of time, there is no "leading up to today".

Yesterday I counted one less than I'm at today, tomorrow I will count one more than I am at today.


I didn't say that so I don't know what you're getting at.


Max Tegmark, the infinite sea
Leonard Susskind "The Cosmic Landscape"

There is certainly no way to prove it scientifically, and if that's what you mean, I completely agree, but there are MANY reasons to think it does, and to my mind, no reason to think it doesn't. In fact, to my mind, the thought that it does not manifest just doesn't compute. If it doesn't manifest, where'd it come from? Has it always been? If so, then it is the substratum of everything, which makes no rational sense, nor mathematical or scientific sense either.

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How do you know?


This is basically what I was saying about today. I don't think today is any more special than yesterday or tomorrow. I've just being explain today's relationship to yesterday and tomorrow. Just like when you said:


What we counted yesterday caused us to count the numbers we are on today and what we count today causes what numbers we will count tomorrow. So, I'm saying the past worked up to today in the sense of counting up to the number we are presently on. When I was talking about cause and effect, I meant it in a way like 1 leads to 2 and 2 leads to 3.


You said:


And I was trying to explain why I think it couldn't be counted with a finish or not. Counting to infinity is logically impossible.


Every time I read this sentence I can't get my head around it. If we have always been counting then how do we tell what number we are on? It seems like counting requires a start.


Thanks. I'll check them out sometime. Are they interesting or a slow read?

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What reasons are those?


Why not?

Quantum Mechanics, and the fact that it is merely an assertion to state that for every event, there is a cause to that event.



OK.


I didn't say we were counting to infinity. I said we are counting the infinite amount of integers for an infinite amount of time.


What do you mean how do we tell what number we are on? We know because of yesterday.


Tegmark's is an article you could probably look up.
Try reading about Set Theory, it deals with infinite sets.

I read the latter, and I agree it's very good. However, I'm not familiar with the former, so what's the gist of that one if you don't mind?

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