Now where did I ever say that?
I SAID it is "un-natural"
Meaning without science impossible.
She would have to grow a pair of stones and that would be miraculous.
Never said it was "bad" or "sin", just "unnatural.
Really it doesn't matter.
Do what you will, but do no harm.
I condemn no one.

People make too big a deal out of it.
All hyper-emotional.
Tempest in a teapot.
Gets people distracted from really important things.
The media are well aware of that.

I still wonder why sexuality is such a big deal. (Does anyone else?)

Firstly, it's pretty obvious from anyone's life experience (and Jesus' words, if we want to refer to that), that our love for one another is primary. Everything after that (seems to me) is just details.

(NOTE: I also empathize with those who believe in a very strict moral code, because in my early twenties I had the same mindset. Later on, I came to realize that God could hardly be devoid of common sense.)

Woo Hoo! Great answer!

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How is it adaptive? It doesn't provide a reproductive advantage.

I think you better look adaptive up in the dictionary!

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Thank you for your response and your openess to my question

Can I just ask you to look another way at the whole experience
I am not being right or wrong - just there are other ways to look - nothing more is meant by this reply and it is in no way a judgement of you !


The Love of the World always asks for something in return - I love you if ......... Its what we define as love

In your case you love you girlfriend if ............ she doesnt sleep about or she has your baby or doesnt hurt your baby and on and on - theres a million forms of the conditions we set - ME INCLUDED


Ok so lets say that you become unconditional in Love - A love NOT of this World
This is done via letting the past go - even in the instant something happens you can let that go as it is the past already


So you find your girl with your friend - If your girl is happy with that other wouldnt LOVE in it s truest sense say "I only want you to be happy" ?
Now you can say she isnt being loving to you - BUT we are dealing with your mind now - hers is not the factor - its your mind and you can control it - if its yours ?

If you found that place of non condition how would the expereince have effected you ?

If you truely wanted only the others happiness ? Not in sacrifice - there happy so i dont matter - but in the heart - the joy of seeing anothers happiness


You see I had some lessons from another place in form when my wife wanted to kill herself and the more i tried to stop her, the worse i made her (this was over 10 years)
It was only when i truely told her that it was ok and that while i didnt want her to, i loved her and she was free to do whatever she needed to, that thing s completely changed
Should my wife who i love completely tell me that she wanted to live with someone else - I would be upset, yet i would want her happiness and i would give her my support and blessings if that were her choice
If I were to find her with another - yes i would be upset - however if I give Love to another, it is given - it is not withdrawn when it no longer suits my "needs" - that is NOT Love


I also just couldnt be with someone who didnt want to be with me nor would i ever want to Love someone on terms of any kind so it would be better to set the anger aside and say "have a nice life"

Now if my wife wanted threesomes and i didnt - then i have the option to leave and vice versa - its not about putting up and its also not about controlling another - But Love remains as it was given

Love in this world is conditional and that is a choice - In your mind

Love another as yourself and you set yourself free of the pain you expereinced..........

BUT in order to love another you have to know your SELF

So......



THIS IS A HUGE IF and again I only offer it to ponder as I do not want to bring any anger to anyone which this can


IF we are spiritual being simply believing in bodies, what happened that day ?
If you and your gf and friend and baby are eternal spirit believing they are in bodies then what has happened to them or you?
If they are spirit and the body is merely manifestation then they are all perfectly safe.

That is why Jesus condems the flesh - It is the belief in it that is at the root of our seperation because the body prevents LOVE - Not of this world
The body is always the target or the aim or the need or the abused or the abuser - How could sin exist without a body - and how could your mind be hurt if there is no body

You are the LOVE within as are we all
Forgive all and it will grow brighter
And if you cant forgive - be willing to when you can


We are all looking for that completion - We search for it in form - in other bodies, material etc etc

But what we are looking for is within and when you find it you have no need
You only want to share what you have found

I hope this makes some sense and I hope this has not angered you because you are worthy of so much more

There is another way

What a beautiful post. I see things much the same way. Thanks for sharing that.

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I just wanted to add


I am teaching what I most need to learn

This is a lesson to my SELF


Thank you for your support Chaitanyananda

I think you better learn biology!

I basically get what you're saying but I look at it a little differently. I don't believe I can love someone unconditionally because I love myself. If it is moral to love my neighbor as I love myself then I must first love myself before I can love my neighbor. I love myself and therefore I can't love people unconditionally and allow them to walk all over me and the people I love. The only condition I placed on my best friend's and ex's love is to also love me. If they don't love me then they are unworthy of my love. I don't believe they really loved me. They felt sorry for what they done but it was the kind of sorry you feel when you get caught and not the kind where you feel bad for hurting someone. If they truly loved me then they would feel sorry, repent, and I would be able to forgive them. I'm unable to completely forgive them because they haven't done these things and proved to me that they are sorry. Love is earned, trust is earned, friendship is earned, forgiveness is earned, and nothing is a free gift of unconditional love.

I don't believe the flesh has anything to do with love. I don't love people because I overcame the flesh or hate people because the flesh overcame me. Everyone I love and hate earned how I feel about them. I would feel the same way if I was a disembodied soul.

I don't believe that I stop loving someone because it no longer suits my "needs". I stop loving someone because they no longer love me.

An unconditional love that is not of this world seems pointless to me. If I loved everyone unconditionally, no one earned it, and there is nothing they could do to make me hate them then the feeling of love would be pointless and serve no purpose. Think of it like this we feel pain and pleasure from different things and that causes us to behave in a way that benefits us. Like fire hurts so you avoid being burned and eating a healthy meal feels good so you avoid starvation. Imagine how you would behave if you only felt pain or only felt pleasure. It would be pointless because you would behave the same as if you felt nothing at all.

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