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Old 5th September 2008, 11:19 AM
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I'm surprised that this discussion is going on this long. Maybe if I rephrase the question it would go faster. Who does it hurt if homosexuality is tolerated and who does it hurt if homosexuality isn't tolerated?
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I'm surprised that this discussion is going on this long. Maybe if I rephrase the question it would go faster. Who does it hurt if homosexuality is tolerated and who does it hurt if homosexuality isn't tolerated?

Homosexuality hurts no one but the weak-minded individuals who cannot grasp the concept of different.
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IMO the practice of homosexuality is a sin, all sin separates us from God, therefore those who practice it are hurting themselves mostly.
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I would also have to agree with no one and everyone and the addition that EP made.
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It seems to me that anything to do with flesh is a sin - to miss the mark


God is everything and everywhere and thus is spiritual
We were made in His image

Believing we are a body or flesh must therefore be a sin - missing the mark - miss the point


Condemn your brothers and you condemn your self
While you look in judgement at a brother you will not see God

Gods Son is innocent and you will see him in every brother when we lay down the sword of Judgement

This is the age of forgivness and the LAW is LOVE

Look with a higher vision upon all brothers and see with HIS eyes and you will know your SELF
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Cross Homosexuality Isn't A Sin?

I don't know. Does God Hate Homosexuals, no He doesn't. I don't think homosexuality is a defect either, however I do agree that it may not be natural for human behavior either.

Yes, gays can be and are religious, spiritual, and Christians even. I just saw a really nice show of two singers, a couple, who sing Christian music, who are gay, last night. So It shows me that yes gays can be Christians and even have Christian moral values within a relationship. I truely believed the men.

I think being gays is so complex as to make even the most smartest people confussed by it. It think it is partly sexual choice, mixed with too many things, like environment and social issues, a persons family placement, the way they were bought up, and the people they were influenced by personally or from entertainment, ect. Not one single example being the reason for homosexuality, but a little or a lot of everything together, and even some things that I, in my ignorance, couldn't even think of.

It doesn't matter what it is that makes, or causes a person to be gay, what does matter is that they deserve the right to live in peace and harmony as they wish to. Nobody should dictate to them how to live their lives, or if they should or shouldn't have the same equal rights as everyone else on earth should have as human beings. They shouldn't be thought of as threats to anyone, unless they truely are a threat physically or in some way. Just like any other person, like a straight person, who isn't a threat to anyone.
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Old 8th September 2008, 07:42 PM
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Cross I Agree!!!

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I basically get what you're saying but I look at it a little differently. I don't believe I can love someone unconditionally because I love myself. If it is moral to love my neighbor as I love myself then I must first love myself before I can love my neighbor. I love myself and therefore I can't love people unconditionally and allow them to walk all over me and the people I love. The only condition I placed on my best friend's and ex's love is to also love me. If they don't love me then they are unworthy of my love. I don't believe they really loved me. They felt sorry for what they done but it was the kind of sorry you feel when you get caught and not the kind where you feel bad for hurting someone. If they truly loved me then they would feel sorry, repent, and I would be able to forgive them. I'm unable to completely forgive them because they haven't done these things and proved to me that they are sorry. Love is earned, trust is earned, friendship is earned, forgiveness is earned, and nothing is a free gift of unconditional love.

I don't believe the flesh has anything to do with love. I don't love people because I overcame the flesh or hate people because the flesh overcame me. Everyone I love and hate earned how I feel about them. I would feel the same way if I was a disembodied soul.

I don't believe that I stop loving someone because it no longer suits my "needs". I stop loving someone because they no longer love me.

An unconditional love that is not of this world seems pointless to me. If I loved everyone unconditionally, no one earned it, and there is nothing they could do to make me hate them then the feeling of love would be pointless and serve no purpose. Think of it like this we feel pain and pleasure from different things and that causes us to behave in a way that benefits us. Like fire hurts so you avoid being burned and eating a healthy meal feels good so you avoid starvation. Imagine how you would behave if you only felt pain or only felt pleasure. It would be pointless because you would behave the same as if you felt nothing at all.

I could never type it or think it as good as you did. I agree with you though.
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