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Old 21st December 2007, 02:14 AM
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What Does Science Suggest?

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Science suggests there is no God.

I saw this statement today and wondered what God it would be that science is suggesting doesn't exist? Is it a true statement?
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Old 21st December 2007, 02:47 AM
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sounds like a true statement to me....does not say there is one..nor there is not one...so yea still a true statement...
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I saw this statement today and wondered what God it would be that science is suggesting doesn't exist? Is it a true statement?

In one of my books (I'll try to remember which one, and if I succeed, I'll post the title and author tomorrow), one of the scientific think-tanks ran all sorts of mixed data on some events worldwide, including what caused these events, and it came back as just random events with no "intelligent designer" suggested. Obviously, it did not claim this is any kind of definitive proof since it's not conceivable to run all worldwide events with all their causes through computers.

I think there's a real logical dilemma for theists in regards to why do bad things, like Katrina, happen whereas there's innocent victims? Why would a loving deity allow this to happen when it's not a man-made phenomenon? I think the polytheists have a bit more of a logical argument because they can always blame these events on some evil deities, but how does a monotheist reconcile this? As one who was a theist most of my life, I pretty much just avoided the question. Until...

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It is only a suggestion on sciences part. They can't prove God exists or not, they can only suggest. I suggest there is a GOD! So there!!
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I'm with Don.

Metis, I don't see how random events or organized events could prove there is a God or not!?! Did this scientist really think he could find some kind of proof within events? That does not sound "logical" to me. What would that proof be? Let's say he put all the data in a computer, did he think it would spell some kind of code, that would prove a God exists? People are too funny.
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I saw this statement today and wondered what God it would be that science is suggesting doesn't exist? Is it a true statement?

This just proves God's understanding far superior to science. God could not be naive enough to assert that science doesn't exist. Since science is the external representative of God's will, such a thing would be absurd.
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I saw this statement today and wondered what God it would be that science is suggesting doesn't exist? Is it a true statement?

Science isn't a sentient being, so it can't suggest anything. Any possible God could always complement science anyways, so no, science cannot even indirectly imply that God doesn't exist.
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Science can be used to find non-supernatural explanations for things that we previously explained with gods.

Hypothetically, it could someday be used to confirm the existence of a powerful being or force that we could think of as a god.
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That quote is totally meaningless since there is no context whatever. I can say "Science suggests that there is a God" and you are all free to quote me just so long as you don't attribute the quote to me.
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Neither science nor theology

To be science, it would have to be a testable hypothesis, or would have to be a Theory on which one could make testable predictions. I cannot see how either applies to this statement.

That some scientist may have said this...well, since it is unattributed, one cannot be sure. However, in that case, at best it represents an interpretation of some data set that is necessarily incomplete (no one has had command of current science in all fields since the 18th Century, so it must be necessarily incomplete). So, in fact, it represents an uniformed opinion no more authoritative than the average man-on-the-street interview.

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