Please excuse me if I assume some hearsays and dont quote exactly from the Bible or other Religious ideas

For some reason for as long as I can remember I had the idea that the Bible said that after 2000 years - around the year 2000 Jesus would return

Now just stick with me on this thread of thought

What if this is because Jesus knew that it would take 2000 years for us to lay down our fears - one of these could be seen in how we worshipped God in the UK for so many centuries under a blanket of fear - namely the idea of SIN

In the last few decades Religions have certainly lost there grip and with it the ideas of Gods wrath and sin have reduced in "general thinking"

Now many of us would perhaps say this had led to loose morals etc etc

But what if as our minds give up these ideas of God - Wrath, sin, eternal hell, it opens a window up in our minds to a Truth thats always been within us, Just hidden by the thoughts of fear we appeared to cherish for so long
Perhaps the demise of Religions and namely those that use fear, is an opening and oppertunity

Perhaps in that lack of fear, Love grows and flourishes ?


Perhaps we dont expereince God because on some level of thinking we think we are guilty of those many ideas we have been brainwashed with for so many ages ?

Who would open there arms to a Father if they believed they were in for a whipping?

I would keep the door bolted hehe



For instance - This idea is always touted as BAD - but there are two ways to see it
The end of the World - or end of Days is only a bad thing if theres nothing better following it.
What if what replaces this World we see, is far beyond anything we could ever dream of in its Love and Beauty?
What if seeing the flesh burning away in some pit of fire is ok because we ALL have left our bodys and exist as "Spiritual" beings ?
Its just bones and meat then isnt it ?


Just seems to me we are often given a way to look at things - but its not always the only way to look at that thing or idea
Not only that, its not always the most logical way to look
Often its the most fearfull - which in some ways is insane

I like the way you look at things.
I personally cannot agree with christian mythology.
From what I have studied the whole end of the world concept is a huge misunderstanding.
What was being talked about was the end of an "age" which has more to do with astro-theology than anything else.
There is also this idea of catastrophe which reoccurs every so often on our planet for one reason or another (celestial mechanics, high tech mistakes).

I used to think along those lines, having previously been a christian, but I realized that it was a fear based religion which sought to control people through fear.
Fear of punishment is a big motivator.
It hides reality and gives people stories.

Well From my reading I know that there was a fairly widespread movement of Christians that believed Christ was returning around 1844. They were called Millerites.. Of course they figured Jesus would descend from the clouds so some of them waited on mountain tops hoping to be the first to see Him...

Baha'is believe Jesus Returned in 1844... that is that the propehcy of His Return was fulfilled in the Declaration of the Bab on May 23, 1844 in Shiraz, Iran (then Persia).

We always have fascinating discussions with Adventists (who sprang from the Millerite Movement) about this..

About the world going through transitions and so on.. Yep the world has been in a state of unprecedented change and tumult we believe for the past hundred and sixty years or so.. Science has advanced at an unprecedented pace.. Population of the world has increased dramatically.. wars and so on.. but I would suggest we are also shrinking as a planet and more interdependent than ever before.. The internet... Financially and politically we are much more connected. It's not so much the end of the world I think as that we have entered a new age..or epoch of inter connectiveness and scientific advances.

- Art

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Thanks for your replies

I certainly steer clear of the fear based ideas

I also agree that the World is becoming smaller and so we are learning perhaps to get along

Time also seems to be flying by


A celestial speed up perhaps

Not all bad eh

According to my understanding of the Bible the disciples believed that Jesus would return during their lifetimes. I can look up the verses if you'd like and give them to you.

Hi Jackny - Yes that would be interesting

From my expereince Jesus is with us right now - Has been for the last 2000 years
However that can only be confirmed with each individuals experience of it

"The end of all things is at hand." (I peter 4:7)

"The time is short." (I Cor. 7:29)

"The coming of the Lord draweth nigh." (James 5:8)

"For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. (Hebrews 10:37)

"Little children, it is the last time." (I John 2:18)

Pinski - Simply, Thank you for your light

I hope you dont mind but I wanted to explain my thoughts with each of the following


More of the same
When we all awaken there will be no need of time


These are messages of Love to us all

I believe it's all about our inner journey. The end of times would come about when we live in the moment. Christ consciousness is found within us in the here and now. It is our choice to live in the moment or to continue to live in the past or future. Experience each moment fully if you want to experience the end of time.

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