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CS Lewis and Narnia

I just finished reading a biography of CS Lewis and this book claimed that he was trying to spread Christianity through his Narnia books. I have read them as a child and as an adult. As a child, they were just a great story, and as an adult, I got the references to religion, but didn't see it as a strictly Christian view.

Is CS Lewis really trying to spread Christanity through the Narnia books, or just religion in general?
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I have only watched the film but the general idea I got was simply that Love will overcome all obstacles in the end



Shakespear said all the Worlds a stage




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I have only watched the film but the general idea I got was simply that Love will overcome all obstacles in the end



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Right, I saw the movie but never read the books by Lewis. I never got a Christian theme in the movies, anymore than Harry Potter. Both are fantasy with magic and a morality play.

The Left Behind series is different. It is badly written Sci-Fi and Horror story supportive of Armageddon Mythology which I think is mentally harmful to those taught that such rubbish is true. Teaching Armageddonism to children is a form of child abuse, as is telling 5 year olds that they will go to a burning Hell for trivial errors.

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I just finished reading a biography of CS Lewis and this book claimed that he was trying to spread Christianity through his Narnia books. I have read them as a child and as an adult. As a child, they were just a great story, and as an adult, I got the references to religion, but didn't see it as a strictly Christian view.

Is CS Lewis really trying to spread Christanity through the Narnia books, or just religion in general?

Many of the books by Howard P. Lovecraft had a religious theme. His famous and scary Cthulhu and the Cthulhu were a metaphorical story of the Christian God and Christianity. Cthulhu is horribly cruel. He comes from the stars and he will return someday to restore his rule over humans. He arises resurrection style from a submerged rocky island, R'yleh, which rises to the surface of the ocean. Lovecraft was a non-Theistic American horror writer. Much of his Ancient Old Ones were forms of the Christian Gods and Angels.

Tim LaHaye's books on "Left Behind" are on Christianity and also scary but defending the Armageddon Mythology. But the writing is amateurish and are sold well in America because of people believing in Armageddon. DVD's of his series are bought by Brits as "comedy." I had hoped Monty Python would do their version of Armageddonism. The raptured would be raptured down the magma chamber of a gigantic new volcano.

John Cleese: "I say, are we supposed to be raptured downward?"

Eric Idle: "Don't worry, down is really up after we pass through the core."

Mike Palin: "Won't that be dreadfully hot?"

Terry Jones: "God will give us all teflon coats."

Mike Palin: "I think it will still be hot. And what about the pressure?"

Terry Jones: "We will have asbestos overcoats."

Mike Palin: "We will be crushed by pressure and cooked by heat."

Eric Idle: "Of course we will. Then when we come out the other side we will be warm and tender."

Mike Palin: "But I don't want to be pressure cooked. That would be unpleasant."

Eric Idle: "It will be unpleasant for us, but God likes the taste of well cooked humans."

Mike Palin: "Are you saying that God is going to cook and eat us?"

Eric Idle: "Why not? Have we not been eating God every Sunday at Mass."

Mike Palin: "Oh, that explains it for me."

John Cleese: "What about our 72 virgins?"

Eric Idle: "That is a different God, named Allah."

John, Terry, and Mike: "Jesus you're fired. Where do we sign up for Allah?"

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I just finished reading a biography of CS Lewis and this book claimed that he was trying to spread Christianity through his Narnia books. I have read them as a child and as an adult. As a child, they were just a great story, and as an adult, I got the references to religion, but didn't see it as a strictly Christian view.

Is CS Lewis really trying to spread Christanity through the Narnia books, or just religion in general?

I think so... Aslan was a "resurrected Lion - Christ figure" I suppose..but in writing was he just using the symbols he was most familar with..and not necessarily just "trying to spread Christianity"..I'm unsure but I know a lot of Christians warm up to the Narnia Chronicles.

See this:

C. S. Lewis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He was also good friends with Tolkien.

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Many of the books by Howard P. Lovecraft had a religious theme. His famous and scary Cthulhu and the Cthulhu were a metaphorical story of the Christian God and Christianity. Cthulhu is horribly cruel. He comes from the stars and he will return someday to restore his rule over humans. He arises resurrection style from a submerged rocky island, R'yleh, which rises to the surface of the ocean. Lovecraft was a non-Theistic American horror writer. Much of his Ancient Old Ones were forms of the Christian Gods and Angels.

Tim LaHaye's books on "Left Behind" are on Christianity and also scary but defending the Armageddon Mythology. But the writing is amateurish and are sold well in America because of people believing in Armageddon. DVD's of his series are bought by Brits as "comedy." I had hoped Monty Python would do their version of Armageddonism. The raptured would be raptured down the magma chamber of a gigantic new volcano.

John Cleese: "I say, are we supposed to be raptured downward?"

Eric Idle: "Don't worry, down is really up after we pass through the core."

Mike Palin: "Won't that be dreadfully hot?"

Terry Jones: "God will give us all teflon coats."

Mike Palin: "I think it will still be hot. And what about the pressure?"

Terry Jones: "We will have asbestos overcoats."

Mike Palin: "We will be crushed by pressure and cooked by heat."

Eric Idle: "Of course we will. Then when we come out the other side we will be warm and tender."

Mike Palin: "But I don't want to be pressure cooked. That would be unpleasant."

Eric Idle: "It will be unpleasant for us, but God likes the taste of well cooked humans."

Mike Palin: "Are you saying that God is going to cook and eat us?"

Eric Idle: "Why not? Have we not been eating God every Sunday at Mass."

Mike Palin: "Oh, that explains it for me."

John Cleese: "What about our 72 virgins?"

Eric Idle: "That is a different God, named Allah."

John, Terry, and Mike: "Jesus you're fired. Where do we sign up for Allah?"

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LOL I miss Monty Python. I can totally see them doing this. Thanks for the laugh.
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I think so... Aslan was a "resurrected Lion - Christ figure" I suppose..but in writing was he just using the symbols he was most familar with..and not necessarily just "trying to spread Christianity"..I'm unsure but I know a lot of Christians warm up to the Narnia Chronicles.

See this:

C. S. Lewis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He was also good friends with Tolkien.

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Yes, and there are books upon books that talk about how The Lord of the Rings books were Christianity in disguise too.

The theme of a God figure dying and then being resurected is common in many religions: Egyptian, Norse, Wiccan, Hindu, to name a few.

I wonder if Christian people are using the books to further their ideals, and to make themselves feel better about reading "trash" because other stories in the same genre they blast for being "the work of satan"
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Right, I saw the movie but never read the books by Lewis. I never got a Christian theme in the movies, anymore than Harry Potter. Both are fantasy with magic and a morality play.

The Left Behind series is different. It is badly written Sci-Fi and Horror story supportive of Armageddon Mythology which I think is mentally harmful to those taught that such rubbish is true. Teaching Armageddonism to children is a form of child abuse, as is telling 5 year olds that they will go to a burning Hell for trivial errors.

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I have only seen "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" so far, but I have read all seven of the books a couple of times, and the movies follow the books rather closely. I get the same vibe as you.
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Shakespear said all the Worlds a stage




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Of course we have, in many different guises. Just trying to get a handle on what these critics call "Christian" when reviewing them.
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Not to be cranky, but any book can be read how a person wants to read it to make it fit into whatever mold it must fit into. I mean I seriously doubt that god truly wants you to "take up serpents" but some do.

I remember reading Genesis in high school as literature in English class, picking out all the metaphors available in it.
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