Re: Do you believe that people who committ crimes should never be punished?

This doesn't answer my question of why would God give us free will and then punish us for having our own desires.

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You said Jesus is not the son of God yet said God created us

If God is our creator then he would be our Father and hence we must all be sons of God including Jesus

This would make us all brothers


I think thats pretty much what Religions speak about but for some reason seems to ignore that idea

Mohammed would also be a son of God


Like me and you

Allah hasn't revealed anything to me. So, how can I abide by what he hasn't revealed? If Allah reveals himself to me, proves to me beyond any doubt that he is the true God, proves to me that he is worthy of my worship, proves to me that his will is perfectly good, and proves to me that his plan for me is perfect then I'll prove to him that I'm a Muslim.

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"I fully comprehended the power of the human mind at the exact moment I came to the realization that I'm totally insane and have no idea what I'm talking about."

Well, if all religions that are not the one true religion are man-made then there must of been a time when there was only this one true religion before Man made up all these lies. So, before Man started making false religions the true god had no reason to name his religion because it was the only one. When people started making new religions they had to name their religions to show that theirs are different religions than the one true religion. Since the people that made false religions named theirs the people that believed the one true nameless religion had to name theirs. So, people would know that their true god is different then the made up gods. My point is maybe the God of the Bible didn't name his religion because his religion began before all the made up ones and didn't need a name. Therefore, The God of the Bible could be the one true god because he didn't name his religion.

I don't believe in the God of the Bible but I'm just trying to make the point that the argument could go both ways. Peace and good luck finding the one true God. I don't know if he can be found but I doubt he is hiding in a book.

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"I fully comprehended the power of the human mind at the exact moment I came to the realization that I'm totally insane and have no idea what I'm talking about."

I believe people should be punished for their crimes. I kind of lean towards "An eye for an eye" It seems like a fair trade to me to suffer as much as you have made others suffer. Another way of saying an eye for an eye is the punishment fitting the crime. So, what kind of things does Allah consider crimes, what are the punishments for these crimes, and how does the punishments fit these crimes?

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"I fully comprehended the power of the human mind at the exact moment I came to the realization that I'm totally insane and have no idea what I'm talking about."

This is the best question I have seen on the forum so far.

Does an all perfect cosmic creator need to be worshipped? Why would he need worship? Is he insecure? Does he fear being overthrown like a Chinese Emperor? If his subjects abjectly worship him, why does he seem to need and demand it?

If God wants a religion, and feels strongly why it should be correct, why did he not make it abundantly clear by informing all humans with the same identical message? If God wants a "true religion", he would not designate a small isolated group of people (prophets) who would interpret his message differently.

God would be powerful enough to communicate simultaneously with every single human being past and present, the Divine Truth. He would have told my grandfather, father, me, my son, my daughter, and my grandchildren, and future great grandchildren. He would tell your great grandchildren and everyone's grandchildren.

He would not take some eccentric old bearded bloke out behind the camel corral and whisper very fainly the prophesy to the old codger. He would not command the old codger to go into the village and tell everyone he talked with God and they should believe it or die. Meanwhile 40 Km north another unwashed bearded old codger comes back from behind a donkey stable and tells a different story of his talk with god. That system would be unweildy. It would produce different beliefs, and that would start persecution and wars.

Why would God want that? If God sent his message to all of us in our adolescent years, we would not have this forum. We would not have had the bloody wars of conquest by Islamic Armies and Christian Armies.

There would not have been the Great Persecutions of Pagans by Theodosius I and II,
the Cromwellian genocide of the Irish Catholics,
the Catholic-Protestant Thirty Years War,
the Crusades
the Islamic genocide of Armenians,
the Islamic genocide of Zoroastrians,
the Islamic near genocide of Coptic Christians,
the Islamic genocide of Bah'ais,
the Islamic genocides of Hindus,
the Islamic genocide of Buddhists,
the Christian near genocide of Native Americans,
the Islamic and Christian roles in the African slave trade.

Amergin

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