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8th July 2005, 07:55 PM
Satanism does, obviously, have roots in Christianity. But this does not make Satanism a form of Christianity, any more than Christianity is a form of Judaism. Satanism is not just a "Christian heresy", any more than Christianity is just a "Jewish heresy." Most Satanists do not believe in Christian theology. Most Satanists have their own interpretations of who/what "Satan" is, and do not believe in the Christian God. (There are many different kinds of Satanism, with a variety of different interpretations of "Satan.") Most forms of Satanism derive ideas from other sources besides just Christianity, just as Christianity derived ideas from other sources besides Judaism.
Some wiccans define all non-Christian religions as forms of Satanism.
No, Satanism, be it Modern or Traditional,(Modern being the atheistic branch, Traditional being the theistic branch), is not a sect or form of Christianity. We may have some of our beliefs roots or at least relations to Christianity, but we are not Christians any more so than Jainists or atheists are.
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5th December 2007, 01:25 AM
I beg to differ. Most Theistic Satanists I know are quite vocal about their belief in both the Biblical God and Satan. It also seems paradoxical to call oneself a Theistic Satanist and not believe in deities...
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15th January 2008, 01:02 AM
Why wouldn't Satanism be a form of Christianity seeing as Lucifer was a fallen angel?
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15th January 2008, 06:31 PM
Theistic Satanism does indeed have strong roots in Christian theology. Just about every other sect of Satanism does not recognize Christian dogma. The term "Satanism" is used merely in its capacity as an archetype. Many others choose to use Prometheus, Melek T'au, En.Ki, etc.
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8th June 2008, 05:13 PM
I thought it was prince EA and not EN.KI ?
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27th February 2009, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Galamount
Satanism does, obviously, have roots in Christianity. But this does not make Satanism a form of Christianity, any more than Christianity is a form of Judaism. Satanism is not just a "Christian heresy", any more than Christianity is just a "Jewish heresy." Most Satanists do not believe in Christian theology. Most Satanists have their own interpretations of who/what "Satan" is, and do not believe in the Christian God. (There are many different kinds of Satanism, with a variety of different interpretations of "Satan.") Most forms of Satanism derive ideas from other sources besides just Christianity, just as Christianity derived ideas from other sources besides Judaism.
Some wiccans define all non-Christian religions as forms of Satanism.
No, Satanism, be it Modern or Traditional,(Modern being the atheistic branch, Traditional being the theistic branch), is not a sect or form of Christianity. We may have some of our beliefs roots or at least relations to Christianity, but we are not Christians any more so than Jainists or atheists are.
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Christianity is a form of Judaism where do you think it got its roots the garden behind the house?
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I beg to differ. Most Theistic Satanists I know are quite vocal about their belief in both the Biblical God and Satan. It also seems paradoxical to call oneself a Theistic Satanist and not believe in deities...
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I agree....
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13th April 2009, 04:29 PM
Yes, Satan/Lucifer (although Satan is NOT Lucifer (and Lucifer isn't a fallen angel either), he allows us to call him Lucifer because many people got used to it) is Ancient Sumerian God Enki/Ea, Lord of the Earth.
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14th April 2009, 03:10 PM
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Yes, Satan/Lucifer (although Satan is NOT Lucifer (and Lucifer isn't a fallen angel either), he allows us to call him Lucifer because many people got used to it) is Ancient Sumerian God Enki/Ea, Lord of the Earth.
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So who and what is lucifer?
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15th April 2009, 01:04 PM
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So who and what is lucifer?
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It's a lot more complicated than just asking "who or what." As with most myths, there are many twists and turns...
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Lucifer is a name frequently given to Satan in Christian belief. This usage as a reference to a fallen angel stems from a particular interpretation of a passage in the Bible (Isaiah 14:3-20) that speaks of someone who is given the name of "Day Star" or "Morning Star" (in Latin, Lucifer) as fallen from heaven. The same Latin word is used of the morning star in 2 Peter 1:19 and elsewhere with no relation to Satan. However, in many writings later than those of the Bible [emphasis mine] the Latin word has been used, without being translated as "Morning Star" and the like, as a proper name with which to designate Satan.
In Latin, the word "Lucifer", meaning "Light-Bringer" (from lux, lucis, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), is a name for the "Morning Star" (the planet Venus in its dawn appearances). The Latin Vulgate version of the Bible used this word twice to refer to the Morning Star: once in 2 Peter 1:19 to translate the Greek word "Φωσφόρος" (Phosphoros), which has exactly the same literal meaning of "Light-Bringer" that "Lucifer" has in Latin; and once in Isaiah 14:12 to translate "הילל" (Hêlēl), which also means "Morning Star". In the latter passage the title of "Morning Star" is given to the tyrannous Babylonian king, who the prophet says is destined to fall. This passage was later applied to the prince of the demons, and so the name "Lucifer" came to be used for Satan, and was popularized in works such as Dante Alighieri's Inferno and John Milton's Paradise Lost, but for English speakers the greatest influence has been its use in the King James Version (more modern English versions translate the term as "Morning Star" or "Day Star").
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15th April 2009, 01:12 PM
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It's a lot more complicated than just asking "who or what." As with most myths, there are many twists and turns...
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Thanks Eh, but I already looked through that explanation, I was hoping the exile could explain his statement that lucifer is not satan or a fallen angel.....
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