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Old 16th October 2006, 04:01 AM
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Could you elaborate for me?

Human beings are limited in so many fields of thought and intelligence.

Not to mention we are arrogant and ego centric that pretty much tells me deep down in side that we are not #1.

I will say we are a amazing specimen of creation ,but I just don't see us being the most intelligent being in the cosmos by our own hubris.

If we were I think it would be rather ironic.
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Old 17th October 2006, 02:24 PM
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Human beings are limited in so many fields of thought and intelligence.
I'll accept that we are. It says nothing about beings who are less limited i.e. that they exist.

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Not to mention we are arrogant and ego centric that pretty much tells me deep down in side that we are not #1.
That we are arrogant and ego-centric is not evidence for 'higher forms of intellect'.
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I'll accept that we are. It says nothing about beings who are less limited i.e. that they exist.

That we are arrogant and ego-centric is not evidence for 'higher forms of intellect'.

I suppose we would have to have observance of other beings in order to formulate any idea of intelligence in comparison.

Such things are impossible right now though as such beings we have not found.

Do you perceive us as the most intelligent being in the cosmos?

It is just my personal opinion that a higher life form would certainly not be as destructive ,arrogant or ego centric as we human beings are.
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I suppose we would have to have observance of other beings in order to formulate any idea of intelligence in comparison.
I'm not sure what you mean.

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Do you perceive us as the most intelligent being in the cosmos?
I have no idea. Most intelligent I know of.

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It is just my personal opinion that a higher life form would certainly not be as destructive ,arrogant or ego centric as we human beings are.
OK. I was just curious as to your reasons for believing as you do.

Is it fair to say that your belief is instinctive?
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I'm not sure what you mean.

I have no idea. Most intelligent I know of.

OK. I was just curious as to your reasons for believing as you do.

Is it fair to say that your belief is instinctive?


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I'm not sure what you mean.

In order for us to challenge the length and quantity of intelliegence we would first have to observe another intelligent being besides ourselves in order to be fair.

We have not found any such being yet.


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I have no idea. Most intelligent I know of.

While we are discussing I have a question.

How would you measure the quantity of intelligence in a being?

Also if we assume that we are the only intelligent being because we have discovered no other wouldn't that become a vague assumption?


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What do you mean?
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Scientists claim that hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. I disagree and say that stupidity far outmasses hydrogen.

Seriously, though, I don't think the universe is either intelligent or unintelligent: just like my sandals or my bicycle, it simply is.
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In order for us to challenge the length and quantity of intelliegence we would first have to observe another intelligent being besides ourselves in order to be fair.

We have not found any such being yet.
All other animals can be said to exhibit intelligent behaviour.

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While we are discussing I have a question.

How would you measure the quantity of intelligence in a being?
It depends on your definitions I suppose. I'm not supposing IQ tests, but perhaps problem solving and environmental manipulation could be tested.

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Also if we assume that we are the only intelligent being because we have discovered no other wouldn't that become a vague assumption?
Yes. My point is that there is no evidence to suppose that there is a more intelligent being.

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What do you mean?
Is it fair to characterise your belief as a hunch? An instinctive impression?
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Old 19th October 2006, 04:14 AM
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Scientists claim that hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. I disagree and say that stupidity far outmasses hydrogen.

Seriously, though, I don't think the universe is either intelligent or unintelligent: just like my sandals or my bicycle, it simply is.

Unlike your bicylce or sandals which are material things created by a human being might I add ( Or a machine created by a human.) in contrast the cosmos is a active system of creation.
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All other animals can be said to exhibit intelligent behaviour.

It depends on your definitions I suppose. I'm not supposing IQ tests, but perhaps problem solving and environmental manipulation could be tested.

Yes. My point is that there is no evidence to suppose that there is a more intelligent being.

Is it fair to characterise your belief as a hunch? An instinctive impression?


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All other animals can be said to exhibit intelligent behaviour.

Would you say intelligence is relative?


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It depends on your definitions I suppose. I'm not supposing IQ tests, but perhaps problem solving and environmental manipulation could be tested.

Perhaps. What do you think of relativity?


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Yes. My point is that there is no evidence to suppose that there is a more intelligent being.

There is no evidence to say there isn't either.


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Is it fair to characterise your belief as a hunch? An instinctive impression?

Isn't all human behavior or activity instinctual?
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Would you say intelligence is relative?
Seems reaonable.

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There is no evidence to say there isn't either.
There's no evidence to say there are no pixies on your right shoulder. I hope you can see why that is a poor criteria for belief.

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Isn't all human behavior or activity instinctual?
In some sense, I dare say it is.

What I was saying is, that there is no clear evidence for your proposition yet you believe it because you feel it is true. Correct?
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