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Old 20th October 2006, 02:59 AM
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Evolutionary theory does not suppose things happen by chance, the universe obeys the laws of physics and chemistry. Biologists do not dispute this.

Sounds like the idea of irreducible complexity which is to say that take out a part of a system and the system won't work. Of course. There is no reason to suppose that such a thing could not evolve by Darwinian selection.

Doesn't that imply a design though?
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Doesn't that imply a design though?
That's the point. The theory of evolution is a desription of how complicated living systems can arise without the aid of a designer.
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That's the point. The theory of evolution is a desription of how complicated living systems can arise without the aid of a designer.

Couldn't the initial creation from the singularity of our solar system have a specific design or interaction on our planet in it's formation?
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Couldn't the initial creation from the singularity of our solar system have a specific design or interaction on our planet in it's formation?
I'm not sure what you're asking.
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That's the point. The theory of evolution is a desription of how complicated living systems can arise without the aid of a designer.
It does no such thing. Describing what you think could be does not mean you have demonstrated that it is.
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I'm not sure what you're asking.

Could the singularity which created our universe already comprise a design for our world in the initial creation before our world was created?
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It does no such thing. Describing what you think could be does not mean you have demonstrated that it is.
I apologise for the ambiguity of my post. Upon re-reading I see that it looks like I've implied the theory of evolution details the emergence of life. Of course, it does not. It explains the emergence of biodiversity without regard to designers. By complicated living systems I was referring to structures like eyes, brains and son on.
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Could the singularity which created our universe already comprise a design for our world in the initial creation before our world was created?
It seems reasonable.
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It seems reasonable.

These are just one of the scientifical perceptions that fit my beliefs in the Gods.
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