Alot of scientifical thoughts are only of the physical nature.

By and large we can only observe physical manifestations by what we can see or perceive by our limited capabilities as mortal beings.

My point is I feel there is somthing beyond the physical perception.

Can modern science or anybody out there attest any thinking on this?

Does modern science grant any thought on things beyond the physical?

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Deutschland Das Nationalbewusstsein!

55th Stanza.
Wise in measure should each man be;
but let him not wax too wise;
seldom a heart will sing with joy
if the owner be all too wise.

Havamal~

Today we drink tomorrow we die.

Be weary of the machine so you don't become one yourself.

Science recognizes every part of human experience though it can't explain all. Now, the fact that you recognize the presence of something does not give you permission to make up stories about it.

You seem to imply that beliefs are made up ,but you fail in understanding that perhaps such beliefs have some logical thought in them even if they appear to be instinctual. ( Though all human beliefs and behaviors are instinctual.)

I am a firm believer that there is somthing beyond the mere physical manifestations that we see or perceive that is the great binding force of the cosmos.

I don't see in any way how I am not reasonable in my beliefs.

Through the bounds of my own mind and limited mortality that follows with it I see myself following a rational grounds of logic.

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Deutschland Das Nationalbewusstsein!

55th Stanza.
Wise in measure should each man be;
but let him not wax too wise;
seldom a heart will sing with joy
if the owner be all too wise.

Havamal~

Today we drink tomorrow we die.

Be weary of the machine so you don't become one yourself.

A belief is just another name for a hypothesis. It is a reasonable explanation for an unexplained phenomena. But until it is proven to be true it is just a hypothesis and is subject to change. I agree with you that something or somebody appears to keep the universe together, but I don't know who or what it is.

A Good reply that I agree with. We humans were not blessed in being created with full reason and awareness. Instead we were created with a instinctual sensation.


I am a very religous spiritual polytheist / Panentheist ,however I am also very scientifically or philosophically inclined.

When I am not praying to Odin or the Gods of Asgardr I like to read about string theory,particle waves,genetics,and science of all kinds basically.

It is my opinion that if religion or spirituality is to evolve it needs to have alot of scientifical understanding too.

I also believe that in order for scientifical studies of humanity to evolve it needs to have more understanding of religion and spirituality.

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Deutschland Das Nationalbewusstsein!

55th Stanza.
Wise in measure should each man be;
but let him not wax too wise;
seldom a heart will sing with joy
if the owner be all too wise.

Havamal~

Today we drink tomorrow we die.

Be weary of the machine so you don't become one yourself.

But when you pray to Odin or whomever you do not know who is listening to your prayer.

If something exists beyond the empirical world we cannot detect it.

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-Scott

It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true. -- Bertrand Russell

Yes I do. All of creation and motion around me.

Odin is just that to me.

__________________
Deutschland Das Nationalbewusstsein!

55th Stanza.
Wise in measure should each man be;
but let him not wax too wise;
seldom a heart will sing with joy
if the owner be all too wise.

Havamal~

Today we drink tomorrow we die.

Be weary of the machine so you don't become one yourself.

Not by conventional means no.

Other means yes.

I think the empirical crowd doubts the functions of the psyche,subconcious, and instinct.

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Deutschland Das Nationalbewusstsein!

55th Stanza.
Wise in measure should each man be;
but let him not wax too wise;
seldom a heart will sing with joy
if the owner be all too wise.

Havamal~

Today we drink tomorrow we die.

Be weary of the machine so you don't become one yourself.

Other means?

I'm pretty much an empiricist, though I do not doubt that these faculties have functions, I doubt that it's to discover transcendant realities.

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-Scott

It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true. -- Bertrand Russell