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Science conflicting with Religion? Not for muslims

This issue has been under discussion and people claim that Science and Religion both contradict each other. I have quoted a link from a website www.muslimheritage.com which promotes knowledge about Muslims heritage and presents the history of muslims of the medival times.

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http://muslimheritage.com/topics/def...?ArticleID=247
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===Science conflicting with Religion? Not for muslims===

The link you posted is interesting and worth reading .

Science and Religion today , l assume , is of the same nexus in combining truth as what we know as fact, and the unknown or Faith .

It doesn't matter if you combine them or deal with them seperately as they are both in the category of " we can only go so far with it " .

Science and Religion are no threat to Man even with the wars and Religious wars and travel to outer space , they all fall into what we live and learn by and develope as children but both although important are not the main problem facing Man today in reality .

Fear not if you do not believe in God but help the less fortunate and those pathetically struggling and care from your soul to help your Brothers and Sisters .

Doing this will open a new realmn instantly and you will feel it .
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Science and Religion are no threat to Man

Absolutely correct. Where the danger and threat come from are man's interpretations and uses of science and religion.
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Great subject Fahad, i am glad i belong to a religion that promotes knowledge and the seeking of knowledge.

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I cannot help but find it amusing that so many Muslims believe their idol Muhammad and his ancient ideas about the world found in his book can somehow be allied with modern science.

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I think you should mind your language and think before speaking. If you are not interested to have a fruitful and constructive discussion then the moderators of this forum should immediately take notice of you.
Let me correct you that Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was sent by God to guide the mankind in spiritual, religious and social matters ,he wasn't a Scientist nor a Mathematicians. Muslims started to make contribution in Science and Mathematics during Medival Times after the demise of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh).

Rembmer, what ever you call a flower, flower remains a flower.


Right of the bat there's the huge contradiction of the scientific method and reliance on one man's opinion. Science disallows idolization of any particular person's knowledge. Even giants of science, like Newton, had his theories revised by later scientists expanding knowledge of how the universe works. How can any Muslim claim "science" reasoning when they've sworn intellectual allegiance to one man's ideas? That to go against that one man's ideas is to go against Allah Himself? It's absurd to think this sort of religious ideology can be compatible with real science.

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I can feel the prejudism and baseless hatred inside your heart for Islam and Muslims but let me tell you the classical and ancient Scientists who came centuries and centuries before Newton were muslims and their names were changed to Western names by your Western critics.

1)who was "Gebber"?

2)Who was "Avicina"?

Were these Scientists westerns? Their books are still available in some of the most reputed and well known European Universities and your Western Professors and Scholars study those books, if you don't believe me ,please go and take a look your self dear prejudise.


Then there's all of Muhammad's errors of knowledge of the world found in his book, e.g., Muhammad's reliance on the ancient model of an earth-centered solar system with seven concentric "heavens" shells above the earth, e.g., Muhammad's mistaking sperm for the dominate process of fertilization seemingly to forget all about the female egg in the process which is seems to be Muhammad's plagiarism of Galen's 2nd century ideas. Relying on ancient men's knowledge of the world can only lead to problems in the modern world.

Time to take the idol off the pedestal, Muslims, if you don't want to be laughed at by Western intellectuals who will mow down Muhammad's ideas easily with scientific facts and historical evidence.

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I challenge you to show me even a single error in Muhammad(pbuh)'s words, I swear to God the 1 who has created me , I'll leave Islam forever and pay you 1 million dollars in reply.

Be rational .
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I think you should mind your language and think before speaking. If you are not interested to have a fruitful and constructive discussion then the moderators of this forum should immediately take notice of you.
Let me correct you that Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was sent by God to guide the mankind in spiritual, religious and social matters ,he wasn't a Scientist nor a Mathematicians. Muslims started to make contribution in Science and Mathematics during Medival Times after the demise of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh).

Rembmer, what ever you call a flower, flower remains a flower.
can feel the prejudism and baseless hatred inside your heart for Islam and Muslims but let me tell you the classical and ancient Scientists who came centuries and centuries before Newton were muslims and their names were changed to Western names by your Western critics.

1)who was "Gebber"?

2)Who was "Avicina"?

Were these Scientists westerns? Their books are still available in some of the most reputed and well known European Universities and your Western Professors and Scholars study those books, if you don't believe me ,please go and take a look your self dear prejudise.
I challenge you to show me even a single error in Muhammad(pbuh)'s words, I swear to God the 1 who has created me , I'll leave Islam forever and pay you 1 million dollars in reply.

Be rational and think before speaking.
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Do you have a million dollars, Fahad, or is that more Muslim bogus claim?

"I challenge you to show me even a single error in Muhammad(pbuh)'s words, I swear to God the 1 who has created me , I'll leave Islam forever and pay you 1 million dollars in reply."

If you do have a million dollars, get ready to hand it over, I could certainly use it.

Upon your rational agreement, we will use a group of scientists chosen at random from any respected university in America that you choose to verify my opinions of Muhammad's gross scientific errors in judgment.
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If you want to revise your challenge, I suggest you do so now

before we start the verification process. I don't want to embarrass you but it is high time Muslims face reality that their idol Muhammad was only a man, and like all men, even divinely inspired ones, Muhammad was prone to errors in judgment, e.g, mistaking Jewish myths of origin and mythical people as real history and real historical people, e.g. Noah, Abraham, Moses and the Exodus.

You can back out now. You may want to join the new Religion of Peace once you quit being mesmerized by Muhammad and find out he was just another man with a Napoleon complex out to use Allah to build a religious world empire where Muhammad is a god among men ruling their lives from the grave forever and ever.
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Some questions for you

I have some questions for you.

If you believe that Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) started his preaching job just to attract the attention of people and to become world famous, then what benefits did he acheive before his demise?

If he had such intention, then how come he won the hearts of so many people?

A person who laid down foundation for democracy, a person who established a state based on Law in Medina. He was not only a Prophet, but a Messenger, Religious and Spiritual Leader, Commander of the army, and Law Giver. I donot understand how can such a person with so many designations including divine and wordly designations left this world with only 2 legacy which is "Qur'an" and his "Sunnah".

Pls answer my questions
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Another question

Another question,

What wordly benefits did his companions acheive who kept his messege alive after his demise and become one of the greatest people in the history of mankind?

His most prominent companions were "Abu Bakr(Ra)", "Umar(Ra), Usman(Ra), and Ali(Ra)?

History testifies to the fact that some of his financially strong companions even spent lot of wealth to finance muslims during the battles that were fought between Quraish and Muslims, show me even a single record which proves that Prophet(pbuh) kept even a single penny from that wealth?

I am ready my dear
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