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Old 12th August 2007, 05:31 PM
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Book2 Big Bang in Qur'an

" Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder??" (Qur'an Chapter 21 verse 30.

The striking smilirty between the the Qur'anic verse and the "Big Bang" is inescapable! how could a book which firstly appeared in the deserts of Arabia 1400 Years Ago ?!

and scientists agree that Before formation of galaxies and separation (Big Bang) the Celestial matter was Gaseous, To describe Initial Celestial The Word "Smoke" is more appropriate than "Gas"

Qur'an also speaks about this the Arabic Word "DUKHAAN" is used there which means "Smoke"

"Moreover, he comprehended in his design the sky, and it had been (as) Smoke, He said to it and to the earth: 'come ye together' willingly or unwillingly, They Said: "we do come (together) in willing obedience" (AL-Qur'an chapter 41 verse 11)

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Agreed just_israr
I've long held that the creation story, versions of which are common to every culture and indigenous people the world over, was precicely the same event science has only recently "discovered" and described as "The Big Bang".

IMO, from Creation to the NOW is only the current "universal life cycle". I contend there have been an infinite number of "Creation Events" before this one and that it will continue into eternity!
Everything in the physical world exists at a specific, measurable cycle or wave length. Everything is confined within and identified by it's own unique virbatory rate, Everything! Given that, if you will, wouldn't the Whole of Creation have the ultimate cycle or wave length?
Our current Creation Epsode is not the first or the last.
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and scientists agree that Before formation of galaxies and separation (Big Bang) the Celestial matter was Gaseous, To describe Initial Celestial The Word "Smoke" is more appropriate than "Gas"

The most popular hypothesis amongst most cosmologists is that our entire universe was extremely condensed energy less than the size that a pearl is today. Therefore, the concept of it being a "gas", as taken in any literal sense, seems highly unlikely.

What caused the big bang is quite unclear, but there are several theories that are being considered with the limited information that is available. One that's promising is that the highly condensed energy allowed for only minimal movement of energy, but then two or more opposing charges got too close together and expanded, thus loosening the bonds on the immense black hole that was our universe. Once the expansion started, it accelerated (according to mathematical models, the big bang is actually two big bangs a microsecond apart), and it's continuing to accelerate.

Another theory that's gained in popularity is the brane theory (or M-theory) that has it that two large membranes, consisting of energy, rubbed against each other, and our universe was one "splinter" of this contact. If this were to be true, it opens the door to there possibly being a multiverse with each universe potentially operating under different rules.

Then there's the issue of parallel universes, the potential for being as such which may be a by-product of quantum mechanics.

Anyhow, there's obviously much that we don't know, so the assigning of any ultimate causation, including there hypothetically being a creator-god (for which there's no evidence, including mathematical), is merely quesswork. However, at least one cosmologist does believe that we may actually know the causation possibly within the next 10 to 20 years.

I hope this more confuses the issue.

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it is not hypo

My concern about the BIG BANG is not the Causes or the Men Based Theories Brother(s)
as being a Muslim I'm here to just promote my Religion Islam and testification of our Holy Scripture THE HOLY QUR'AN

if it is a guesswork brother, than is it not strange that this Guess was Guessed 1400 years ago where was nothing around us in arebia except the Deserts ??

Does it not make sense that it is un-happening for the mankind of the 1400 years back to guess something like this, not even this thing, but the Solar system, the Gynecological issues, and at least 75% scientific facts are Qouted in Qur'an ??

i think you are not fully aware of the Modern science brother, i would love you refer you to a Book " ISLAM & MODERN SCIENCE" authored by Dr. Zakir Naik I hope this will help you Inshallah.
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My concern about the BIG BANG is not the Causes or the Men Based Theories Brother(s)
as being a Muslim I'm here to just promote my Religion Islam and testification of our Holy Scripture THE HOLY QUR'AN...Does it not make sense that it is un-happening for the mankind of the 1400 years back to guess something like this, not even this thing, but the Solar system, the Gynecological issues, and at least 75% scientific facts are Qouted in Qur'an ??

The Qur'an is obviously a great book that has influenced many good things over the centuries, but there are some things that it is not. It is not a scientific book per se even though there's no doubt certain evidence supplied within its pages thathave been verified by scientists and historians.

There are some things that we do know because of evidence about the big bang, but there's much more that we don't know, but it is not acceptable within scientific circles to tailor our evidence so that it coincides with the writings in any religious scripture. There is no evidence that indicates that the original universe was a "gas", but there is evidence that it consisted of energy, so that's the direction in which we have to go.

The author's statment that the Qur'an contains "75%" of all the scientific facts is absurd. The Qur'an isn't long enough even to include "75%" of the facts found in just one field of science let alone all of science. The book might be a very interesting one, but such claims as mentioned above hardly stands to logic, let alone science.

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Israr, welcome brother to this great discussion forum, you will find many great guys over here who understand Qur'an and donot criticise it.

One of the aspects of these verses that i would like to highlight is that, the Qur'an says "oh unbelievers". Now if you just take a look in this and 20th century it is the non-muslims who explored the space and solar system.
In 1960s the 1st American Astronaut (Neil Arm Storm) stepped on the moon and before him the 1st man who stepped on the moon was a Russian.
Now they have sent satelites to Space which examines and takes pictures of moon and some other planets that are pretty close to our earth.

Now you should ponder and pay heed that Qur'an which was revealed 1400 years ago is addressing non-believers, if Qur'an was written by a man or Prophet Muhammad(pbuh), then how can a man living in that period could no so much about the latest advancements in Science and Technology and even knowing who would be making progress?

It is something on which our friends should ponder.
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" Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder??" (Qur'an Chapter 21 verse 30.

The striking smilirty between the the Qur'anic verse and the "Big Bang" is inescapable!
This also sounds remarkably like the story of Marduk and Tiamat in the Mesopotamian Enűma Eliš. In that story, Marduk defeated Tiamat and split her body in two parts to make heaven and earth. Perhaps the Qur'anic version borrowed from that idea.
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