Do you agree? What about scientists that try to argue theology? What about theologians who try to tell us about science?

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This reminds me of a story Joel Goldberg told in his book "The Art of Spiritual healing". (In my own words, as I remember it) Mr. Goldsmith was called into the hospital for help, after sitting with the patient for awhile he stepped out to take a break and joined the family that had gathered in the waiting room. One of the family members stepped up to Joel and said: "We both know that spiritual healing does not really exists, so what's the use?" Joel said to him: "Why don't we talk about nibunka (a made up word) instead?" "I don't know what nibunka means, how could we talk about it?" The man asked. "You don't know anything about spiritual healing either, yet you have an opinion about it."

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I, personally would look at this the same as I would about having my dentist work on my car or my butcher putting on my roof.

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- good one Salahdin

Also......great story Viv and great quote, LK!

One of the most common comments you hear from people about others who've had interesting spiritual experiences is that "they're probably making it up for the money." .... As if all these folks woke up one day and thought: "gee, I'll quit my job and just pretend like I've had a near-death-experience and see if I can get on Oprah or get someone to help me write a book. That will bring in the bucks. It doesn't matter about all the lying I'll have to do for the rest of my life, as well as the skepticism of my family and friends. Yeah, what a great plan."

There's actually plenty of "evidence" for the reality of spiritual things -too many people have had such experiences, including myself. My sister just told me a couple days ago about the recent passing of the minister in their church. She knew the minister and his family well. When he died, his wife, children, and a few close friends were in the room. At one point, the room filled with light and the minister, who had been comatose for weeks, suddenly woke up and spoke coherently to his family. He told his wife "I know where I am going. I have seen it." They heard him say hello to his first wife (who had died many years before) and saw him smile as he commented on the "beautiful daisies."

I agree with Feynman - science doesn't have all the answers and it looks really silly when it tries to pretend it does.

Amen, Angeleyes

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That's it! Maybe that's why my roof smells like lamb chops.

One could argue that there's really no such thing as a "nonscientific problem". "Science" attempts to study essentially anything using the scientific method, which is designed to exclude bias as much as possible. Therefore even theology can be studied using this methodology to a certain degree. However, science cannot answer all questions much like theology can't as well.

Therefore, if there's any theology that is bad science, then maybe that theology should be sharply questioned.

Shalom,
Vern

Metis, I agree that there is often and maybe even always a scientific explaination to all things. The problem is science is the explaination...not the cause. From a scientific stand point the question is always "how" instead of "why". I think that is where the problem lies.

"The question" is still unknown to many problems, but the answer does not show up until the question is asked.

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But "how" may be "why" as well, and the "explanation" may well be the "cause". What some may be looking for is something deeper that quite possibly may not exist.

Shalom,
Vern

.... and the moon may well be made of Wensleydale cheese.

A scientific explanation is exactly that - an explanation. It should not be confused with the actual process.


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