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Old 20th February 2008, 04:49 PM
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Cross Was God Created In The Big Bang?!? Or Did God Always Exist?!

I have been getting into Kabbalah lately and questions keep poping into my head about all kinds of things. I wonder if God just isn't literally everything, like all of life in universe and on earth, like some people say. Then if God is just everything how can He feel, Think, and create anything? Is God just what we give a name to for everything thats been going on in existence (we didn't know any other name to call it so we called it all God)?
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I've been exploring something somewhat similar and it has to do with the concept of "Singularity" in physics...


"... general relativity describes a black hole as a region of empty space with a pointlike singularity at the center and an event horizon at the outer edge.."

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Black hole - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Bab, Siyyid Muhammad Ali revealed there was such a thing as a Nuqta or "point" in His Writings:

I am the Primal Point from which have been generated all created things.

According to general theory of relativity the initial state of the universe, at the beginning of the Big Bang, was a singularity, or single point.

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I have been getting into Kabbalah lately and questions keep poping into my head about all kinds of things. I wonder if God just isn't literally everything, like all of life in universe and on earth, like some people say. Then if God is just everything how can He feel, Think, and create anything? Is God just what we give a name to for everything thats been going on in existence (we didn't know any other name to call it so we called it all God)?

Kabbalah is very interesting, but very difficult to read and, in Judaism, it's generally reserved only for those who are very familiar with the Talmud. In the hands of a relative amateur, like myself, it can easily be misinterpreted. However, that still didn't stop me.

In Kabbalah, one finds the teaching that Torah can be find in nature, and it's basic essence can be determined without even knowing a word of Torah. The Dalai Lama has said much the same about following dharma, even though it is non-theistic.

Interesting read, but please be careful.
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The Bab, Siyyid Muhammad Ali revealed there was such a thing as a Nuqta or "point" in His Writings: I am the Primal Point from which have been generated all created things.

Did the Bab state that a deity or deities caused the BB?




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According to general theory of relativity the initial state of the universe, at the beginning of the Big Bang, was a singularity, or single point.

Which books have you read on this matter that has impressed you? I've read maybe a dozen or so books on the BB and quantum physics over the last few years, and I find these topics very interesting, to say the least. So, if you're interested, I'll share the titles with you that I have found to be the most interesting.
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Kabbalah is very interesting, but very difficult to read and, in Judaism, it's generally reserved only for those who are very familiar with the Talmud. In the hands of a relative amateur, like myself, it can easily be misinterpreted. However, that still didn't stop me.

In Kabbalah, one finds the teaching that Torah can be find in nature, and it's basic essence can be determined without even knowing a word of Torah. The Dalai Lama has said much the same about following dharma, even though it is non-theistic.

Interesting read, but please be careful.


I understand the Kabbalah has a scary side! It is what I call a dark side. It is what I have learned in Christianity to be taboo subjects. I can feel very uncomfortable when I come upon these ideas so different from what I have learned. I am not new to these scary feelings though. I have made myself go to where my Christian belief is way out of place, only to make myself practice tolerance of course, but I know the feelings and I have learned to listen to my intuition. Lets just put it this way, I mind God when it comes to listening to the nature He gave me, like a good little child! Truely! I can not push it if I tried cause I just don't have the knowledge to go beyond what I am capable of. So for me Kabbalah is interesting only in as far as learning the Hebrew letters and numbers, and in a philosophical kinda way, anything beyond the literature type of learning I am lost.

I am terrilbe at technical things though, and numerology--of anykind--is lost on me. I'm not a numbers kinda person. Math of anykind or form make my mind close down. So I doubt if anything as complicated as Kabbalah, can be when it come to things like Alchemy (If I am spelling that right), is going to hurt me any. Cause even though I am fascinated by that side from stories I've read, I am very ignorant about truely getting it. I tried to get into Alchemy, (Plants, herbs, and gems--if thats right) but well it seems to be so much like mathematical stuff that it makes my brain close down to it.
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Perhaps its better to look from the opposite side of the question


If you are an infinite being would beginning and end have any meaning ?
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>>>Perhaps its better to look from the opposite side of the question


If you are an infinite being would beginning and end have any meaning?<<<


If I were an infinate being beginning and end would have even more meaning, because then I would be able to understand exactly what I had done. The exactly part is what humans can't understand, and why we try and find the meaning.
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Just adding to the first question

Infinity is timeless - There is no space if you are infinite because infinite is everything that IS

Therefore how could an infinite being have a beginning or an end as that is a measurement
Anything capapble of being measured cannot be infinite
Anything that is everything cannot have "space"





Perhaps then we havent done anything ?
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Infinity is timeless - There is no space if you are infinite because infinite is everything that IS
Infinity is, first and foremost, a term that invites and all too often suffers abuse.
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Infinity is, first and foremost, a term that invites and all too often suffers abuse.

Infinitely well said!

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