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But there is a reason to believe in those things we do not understand, especially when you see them occur in very concrete ways.

I completely agree that these things are "natural". We just don't understand the "nature" of reality. I don't believe there is any such thing as "supernatural" either. It's just that "natural" is far richer than we can even begin to know. Many scientists, for example, only choose to focus upon what I would call a "subnatural" world. Why they don't see the things some of us are seeing in the "natural" world, I have no idea. But there are actually scientific explanations for that too - studies that show you perceive what you EXPECT to perceive. I have witnessed small yet amazing things in ways provable to myself as a scientist (i.e., not "in my head" or hallucinated or even just "perceived"), and even jointly with others, that would stop just about anyone in their tracks, scientists included, as it would not fit within their perception of "subnatural". In fact, I showed one of these things to a friend once at work, and she almost fainted (no, it wasn't an apparition or anything like that - it was a very concrete provable thing, but it blew her away). She wasn't used to "natural".

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I'm sorry I can't help being a skeptic. But I have good reason for it. Just as here, you say you showed somebody "something" but don't say what it is -- well, what should I think about that?

And whenever somebody shows "something" to that great debunker, James Randi, he pretty much usually figures out what's going on. This to the extent that most people shy religiously away from even trying to collect the $1 million he's offered to anybody who can show him something truly magic or miraculous.

The scientist who said "gravity doesn't work when other people are watching" would be laughed out the academy. The ecstatic who says "the Holy Mother doesn't appear when other people are around" is looked upon with reverence and awe.

Strange, no?
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Coincidence? I think not...

This is just too funny. I was going to mention Randi in my reply to you earlier. If many of the things I'm witnessing and studying objectively continue and someone were to demonstrate these things to Randi, it would be no problem for someone to get Randi's $1 million. I have no doubt of that. But something tells me these things don't occur on demand for $1 million. Nor would the people experiencing such things be interested in the tawdriness of Randi's $1 million. You know, the funniest thing would be to have it start occurring for Randi himself, or for you. And it most certainly could.

That's fine if you want to be skeptical. These experiences often have a high level of detail and they infringe on private lives, so there really is nothing I can do to completely relieve your skepticism. What is occurring are direct "coincidences" that anyone can marvel at. And I mean DIRECT. It is occurring with greater and greater frequency. Plus I have been doing some reincarnation research, which I only very recently realized others are researching independently at the same time, most notably here: Return Of The Revolutionaries

But I'm not about to share my research with them since it is private and impacts private lives, but it is every bit as compelling. I was just relieved to know that SOMEONE was looking into this phenomenon, not sure how objectively though (I would not be as sensationalistic as that web site).

Reincarnation aside, here is just a little example, but this is happening frequently to more than one person I know. I was thinking about a friend who is highly scientific and very skeptical. I have a lot of acquaintances like this since I work in the engineering domain, and many of us have advanced degrees. A few of them are surprisingly quite spiritual, but that unfortunately is the minority. I was thinking about my friend while listening to the radio and something skeptical and even rather judgemental she had said to me about my spirituality. Immediately on the radio the song "She Blinded Me With Science" came on. I laughed to myself and thought - "Sure, she would just call that a COINCIDENCE" (as would many people). After the song was done, a commercial came on with the exact words "Coincidence, I think not!".

This happened to my son not too long ago. He knew NOTHING of this phenomenon, as I haven't shared it with him. It's a private thing, and I'm also respectful of his atheistic, highly scientific father's approach to life (my ex) and don't push what he would view as "weird stuff" on our son. Plus it does sound nuts if you haven't experienced it yourself and proven it in concrete ways.

My son and I were having a conversation about how he could be anything in life. A rocket scientist. etc. My son was about done with this conversation (which was supposed to be motivational because I was trying to tell him the value of school, which he viewed as boring). So I backed off, reading his cues, and he said "Mom, turn the radio on". We listen to a kid's channel in the morning on the way to school. I turned it on. At that VERY instant was a song playing which contained almost the exact words of what I was telling him. "You can be a rocket scientist. You can be anything you want to be." I said nothing, somewhat astounded this had just happened in the presence of my son. And he said "MOM, what is going on????" "How did the radio know what we are talking about????" Remember, I said NOTHING about the phenomenon to him ahead of time, absolutely nothing. He noticed it himself. Of course, it can be dismissed as a coincidence. I know that. I WAS a math major after all. I have a very level head on my shoulders here. In fact, I encouraged him to objectively evaluate what had happened.

But when this happens more and more and more, multiple times per week to multiple people, often jointly witnessed, it gives one pause for thought. And we're talking DIRECT. Not just "Oh, I was thinking about love" and then a love song comes on. Something that goes beyond perception too, I have heard all those theories on perception. And not any sort of mental illness either, as it is very provable, objective stuff, and I'm looking at it objectively and statistically.

Here's another one. I was marveling about the phenomenon, thinking about how in the world these songs on the radio and TV shows were echoing thoughts and conversations, as if reading our minds, KNOWING just how crazy this sounds, and I walked into the supermarket. Right then was playing "I am the eye in the sky looking at you. I can read your mind." This would involve the manipulation of space and time to pull off, not to mention telepathy. It does have some profound implications if you think about it. A friend said it could be aliens, lol. Well, if it is, watch out earth, they are far more powerful than us and hopefully loving, lololol.

Often, I can go back and verify songs that were playing at particular times, or TV shows that came on. Sometimes it occurs with print media too where you can look at the item again and again. These are not "imaginary occurrences". Are they tricks of perception? A scientist might say that, but at some point it becomes statistically improbable. Especially if you could get the person studying it in the room with you and have them observe it too. The person studying it then becomes an experiencer of the phenomenon.

By the way, it happened to my significant other's 18-year-old son the other day, jointly together. Something very obscure, yet direct, appeared on a bumper sticker, directly related to their conversation, exact words. His son said "Wow, THAT was WEIRD". His father said "You have NO idea", lol (i.e., try having this happen multiple times per week and then let's talk about WEIRD).

And the day with my coworker, I had been thinking about a particular person in history, a rather obscure person, who looked just like someone close to me in the present day. I was skeptical though, let me tell you. I was at work thinking about this, glanced up at my white board, and the full name of that person from history, first and last, was written there. I didn't write it. It was the name of a customer. I had never even heard the name before I learned about the historical person (very recently. It was an unusual last name (not "Smith") and from another country. It turns out the customer with the same name was from that same country, and I received work-related emails containing his name too. I took a picture of my white board and saved the emails, just for me, provable evidence for me. The coincidence was so DIRECT. The statistical probability that the exact name of someone from history I was researching in some of my reincarnation studies in that very moment would appear on my whiteboard right then (written by my boss, by the way, not me - to tell me I had to assist this customer) is phenomenal. Of ALL the first/last names of customers that we have, that there would be an EXACT match. I was so astounded, I had to share it with my coworker (I had a picture with me of the person who looks like the person in history and could demonstrate that part too). I also had other provable, concrete things I could share regarding some of my research into this area.

You know what EH, don't trust me. Why don't you just ask to see this phenomenon directly. It will blow you away if you see it. It would amaze even Randi. This has nothing to do specifically with me. Anyone can experience it. So can you. If it doesn't work, I really don't know why, but who knows, maybe it will. But heck, why not give it a try? Just hold onto your hat if it happens, it's a wee bit disconcerting at first, let me tell you, to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is something much BIGGER than what you perceive as yourself.

In peace,
BridgeBuilder

P.S. And by the way, I am now objectively convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt, that reincarnation is true. This is due to my own studies of life parallels and photographic/pictorial evidence, just like on that web site I shared, only it impacts private lives, so I'm not going to sensationalize it, just appreciate that I now can have objective confidence and proof that there is life beyond death. There are quite a bit of coincidences on that web site though, I don't think they are exploring it deeply enough perhaps - it's the detailed life parallels that really tell the tale, beyond the pictures. But it's also a tricky business, because what happens when you find people not viewed quite so rosily in history, who were not exactly the best examples of humanity. Maybe they keep those private on that site, out of respect to the current-day individuals. The beauty of it is how such people have usually redeemed themselves and risen above or reversed whatever past life was not so great...not to mention when studying someone, you really need to find what historians today say about them, not just common knowledge, as there are a lot of misconceptions in the public domain about historical figures.
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You can't convince people with facts and evidence. Just look at any religion, whatever is unsettling is ignored, until it's too much and a new religion is formed. People can ignore anything they wish, it happens constantly.

So then, what evidence could possibley be acceptable fo re-incarnation? None, absolutely nothing presented would be accepted, there is always an excuse to throw it out. Know things you couldn't possibly know? Well then you researched it. Know how to play piano like a concert master at age 4 with no lessons? Well then your just a proidigy. Spontaneously learn to speak chinese at age 20, well then you secretly took lessons. These are are real examples.

So lets talk about coincidences. One day, in the car, I was talking to Spirit. Good place for a conversation. And we were discussing coincidences and manifestations. I was also looking at license plates, and doing the numerology on the license plates. We got to a point, and Spirit was snickering, when there was a license plate with a 999, and a few minutes alter an 888...777...666...555...444...333...222...111...00 0 over the course of 20+ minutes. Very profound, as the odds are 10 to the 20th power. For most people this would be pretty coincidental when talking to Spirit about coincidences. So the next day i was recalling this incident, and Spirit laughed, and asked me if I really believed in coincidences? Over the next 60 seconds I say license plates, in order with 999...888...777...666...555...444...333...222...11 1...000. And no, it was not the same 10 cars driving home from work at the exact same time in the exact same order.

Interesting coincidence while discussing coincidences. Alas I was the only one in the car, so it can be completely discounted since it's unverifiable. But then, I'm the only one that needed a little coincidental reassurance.

Miracles and coincidences are the same thing. On what scale something occurs determines what we choose to call it. And these are only the things we are concious of...imagine all the thigns we know nothing about?
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So lets talk about coincidences. One day, in the car, I was talking to Spirit. Good place for a conversation. And we were discussing coincidences and manifestations. I was also looking at license plates, and doing the numerology on the license plates. We got to a point, and Spirit was snickering, when there was a license plate with a 999, and a few minutes alter an 888...777...666...555...444...333...222...111...00 0 over the course of 20+ minutes. Very profound, as the odds are 10 to the 20th power. For most people this would be pretty coincidental when talking to Spirit about coincidences. So the next day i was recalling this incident, and Spirit laughed, and asked me if I really believed in coincidences? Over the next 60 seconds I say license plates, in order with 999...888...777...666...555...444...333...222...11 1...000. And no, it was not the same 10 cars driving home from work at the exact same time in the exact same order.
Well, you gotta love it. The secret power of the universe, able to do anything at all, create miracles beyond imagining, and what's it doing? Sorting license plates for you!

I suppose that would certainly keep it too busy to heal a cancer patient or put up a sign pointing the way to a missing child.
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Well, you gotta love it. The secret power of the universe, able to do anything at all, create miracles beyond imagining, and what's it doing? Sorting license plates for you!

I suppose that would certainly keep it too busy to heal a cancer patient or put up a sign pointing the way to a missing child.

oh this post has given me a chuckle....nothing funny about the sick or missing child ....but the comparison...of the why and how questions...

my answer for the no sign pointing to the child...

well it is like sorta or not sorta but is..contradictory...

it is all written and we are now living it...and it was not in the script...which leads the question for most well then were is our free will....well did you write yourself any...you will do as your script is suppose to play out...

it is maybe we helped write this world life...or it was handed to us...I dont know...or is this utter nonesense..again...i dont know...

It appears something lives through us.....

i have seen the crazy things happen i believe very much those license plates may have a apeared....

and if it is a untruth...there was some reason it was written in there...or perhaps it was about nothing...yet all is sometihng ....

perhaps it is all written and some would have been happier to read the whole book before taking on the part...or was the book read and much forgotten..but glimpses rememberd......
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Well, you gotta love it. The secret power of the universe, able to do anything at all, create miracles beyond imagining, and what's it doing? Sorting license plates for you!

I suppose that would certainly keep it too busy to heal a cancer patient or put up a sign pointing the way to a missing child.

Perhaps the license plates are only a sign of its arrival in our human consciousness.

Such that some day there will never be another cancer patient upon the earth.

Or a missing child.

We all struggle with the darkness. It is the fundamental question of the earth. The only way I can even begin to comprehend it is to somehow know that some day the light will shine all the brighter because of the contrast of the darkness. In fact, our history is filled with countless examples of light shining in the darkness. And also to know that our lives here are fleeting, but brief instants of eternity, no matter what occurs. And most importantly, we are all here by choice.

I personally think we are all engaged in some kind of universal "Outward Bound" (our higher selves made the decision to participate). When I too was contemplating just what we are indeed doing here the other day, the following words from a song came on, right when I got in the care and turned on my radio (seems All That Is plays with license plates AND radios...):

"We live forever, knowing together, that we did it all for the Glory of Love. We did it all for Love. We did it all for Love. We did it all for Love. We did it all for Love."

Yep, right when I turned the radio on.

One day, it will all make sense. And by the way, cancer patients are healed and children found even now. I have a dear friend who had terminal spinal cancer who was miraculously healed. Here we go again....I have a TV show on, and they JUST said my friend's name on the show, just now, wow, yet ANOTHER statistically improbable coincidence. "All That Is" plays with TVs too.

This is very, very real EH, whether you believe it or not. If you are angry with "All That Is" for how things are transpiring or so angry that you can't even begin to comprehend that there is any Creator at all, then I think you need to start with your higher self, who made the choice to be here. I actually understand that quite well. Just a month or two ago, I spent an evening basically yelling at my higher self and everyone else who chose to be on the earth, for making it SO dark here. Was that REALLY necessary?

As I'm writing, I just changed the channel RANDOMLY to a show called "Next Level Living". And now I'm on a channel that has "Soul School" playing this evening. There ya go! We're on a roll tonight....EH, if you could experience the phenomena we are seeing on the radio, TV, license plates, billboard, books, random flyers in the mail, etc., it would blow you away, that's all I can say. I really hope you will soon. Just be sure to verify what you see so you don't think you are losing your mind (a common fear at first).

Some day it will all make sense EH. It has something to do with "doing it for Love", like "Outward Bound", an exercise in Love on Planet Earth for some courageous eternal souls willing to put blinders on to who they truly are, unique expressions of the divine in human form, simply to find the Love in the darkest of places. And then demonstrate just how bright the Light can be once the darkness passes. That's when the cancer ends once and for all, with no more missing children. And heaven on earth for everyone begins. And then, after enjoying the celebration party for a while and restoring the earth (which may take a while), I'm guessing we will all move on to our next adventure as eternal souls. Eternity is a long time. We make it worthwhile. All for the Glory of Love, who We Are.

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Are there miracles in the world? Miracles are approached from a scientific standpoint; that "the judge has only what his eyes can see." Rav Michael Laitman, PhD states that the only reason we perceive miracles is because we have an incomplete perception of nature, and that by attaining a complete perception of nature, we would not perceive miracles as "miracles," but as preordained events in nature's plan. Jeffrey Satinover MS, MD continues by giving a scientific example of a miracle stemming from an incomplete perception of nature.
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Well, you gotta love it. The secret power of the universe, able to do anything at all, create miracles beyond imagining, and what's it doing? Sorting license plates for you!

I suppose that would certainly keep it too busy to heal a cancer patient or put up a sign pointing the way to a missing child.

Oh I've participated in healing Cancer, as well as other diseases. Your implied question has no meaning; therefore any answer is non-sequitor.

The Universe 'sorted license plates' because I asked it to. The Universe healed the Cancer, because we worked at it and asked for the assistance. My wife wanted to be healed, and I wanted to help, and it was done. Where 2 or more go, so goes God (paraphrased).

Now suppose I ask the Universe to open your eyes to the greater Truth? This would pit my Intent against the space you have created and are currently in. You are where you choose to be, and who on Earth can change your choices?

Some people are healed from dis-ease because they choose to allow it. And some people choose to keep the disease. Those that keep the disease often are not conscious of why they choose to do so. After all, they chose to let it begin in the first place. And so, believing they can't do anything about a disease but do what a doctor and insurance company tell them, go through ravage that could often times be avoided.

And yet, it's not 100%. My father died of cancer. Well, more correctly he mercifully died of a heart attack brought on by stress from having his insurance cancelled out from under him in the midst of stage 5 brain cancer. So why didn't I invoke the Universe to heal my Father? An excellent question, as I did invoke the Universe. My father’s parting gift to me was very, very great. He left me with a life lesson that now has such great significance to me; I would not be in the space I am without his parting gift. My father taught me that we choose what we do in our Lives. His lesson to me was that he decided when he was transitioning, and all the Intent I could set wouldn't change his mind.

You see, my father transitioned while I was talking on the phone to my brother, something relatively rare. And he died in a particular place, a place that let me know things were okay. He stayed 2 days past my mother’s birthday, and quickly passed with very little pain. If you know how brain cancer ends (and my father had a morphine addiction in the Navy from injuries while on duty, he didn't want to repeat that), you would realize that he chose a simple and painless way to transition, and spare us all the reminders of him faded away in delirium and pain. My father is often with me, and his sense of humor is just as sharp.

We can consiously alter our lives if we so choose and believe with full Intent.
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