Drugs Have No Connection With the Attainment of the Upper World

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I was not surprised by the answer.
But I am still thinking about the question.
Does someone really think he/she can become spiritual by using drugs?

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it is interesting that you post this tonight...i was just talking with a friend i had not seen in months..and she was sharing she had drank tequila on her birthday and said that her husband said when she drank the tequila it made her mean...my self i would disagree with that..what i think is...that when you are kind and a peace keeper that in this case alcohol not drugs...i think freed up her being...i think she was not mean..but spoke truth...did not tolerate what she normally would have...it gave her the freedom to express and not care what others had to say...what do you think.....is this not what people experience with drugs..a freedom from reality and an ability to go with in and feel free...never been a drug user so can not speak with anymore then speculation...but did in my younger years pull the tequila drill...sad we should need any kind of drug or what ever to let go of the inhibition to allow are self the freedom to be......it does seem that what ever one uses to escape they then either are way out on a limb expressing a great deal of anger...or just be free to be...

Having had experience many years ago, I can say that for some people certain drugs (MOST EMPHATICALLY, NOT ALL) may be the catalyst which helps to propel their consciousness into a new paradigm so as to be free from past restrictive and negative patterns of thinking.
I would have undoubtedly become an alcoholic if not for a mind changing experience with psychedelics.

This is not just opinion as there were many people helped via Dr. Humphry Osmond in Weyburn Saskachewan over his decades long research into this very question.

Mr Crick, with his collegue Watson, did small amounts of LSD and came up with the concept of DNA which revolutionized that area of scientific research.
He said in his posthumous memoirs he visualized the DNA molecule while on a "trip" and did many subsequent trips to get a deeper understanding.

Looking at the Native American Church of North America which uses peyote in a religious and ceremonial context to help people find meaning and purpose in their lives and escape from alcohol and substance abuse by connecting them with a higher awareness via a psychedelic experience I can say that this is another example with thousands of years of history.

Virtually all shamanic traditions are intertwined with various neurologically active substances (mainly psychedelics) and are responsible for virtually all of our most ancient spiritual traditions.

I do not recommend it, nor condone it, nor do I have anything to do with such things anymore, (therefore I feel free to talk about these things) but My experiences were very eye opening and served as a catalyst which put my feet on a positive path.

I am very thankful to the people who made such amazing experiences possible and feel that the immoral war against certain drugs in our nation causes, in many cases, more harm than good.

I have never used drugs..I have had alcohol and still partake occasionally...feeling close the source and getting a natural high off life it would seem to me would be healthier and last longer....I think people actually use these things for an escape nothing to obtain spirituality....yhey cannot deal with the real world or find very little happiness or peace of mind in a natural state..this is very sad because it is possible to find a very peaceful happy state without these things....

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i dont think all who do this do it to escape..i am guessing probably most...and also some may do it not to escape but for the freedom to be...it is not reality sometimes that is real..it is in that escape they are who they really are and afraid to be with out the substance of choice.....we live in a society that no matter the continued growth we are still way intimidated by others thoughts of who and what and how we express ....and i think no matter how open minded we think that we are..we still continue to step on toes....i think we are getting better i do...

RVK:I think people actually use these things for an escape nothing to obtain spirituality....

Sendy:for the freedom to be...it is not reality sometimes that is real..it is in that escape they are who they really are and afraid to be with out the substance of choice.....we live in a society that no matter the continued growth we are still way intimidated by others thoughts of who and what and how we express ....

This to me is escaping.....you can become real by your own power...drugs and alcohol are a fake release..you may feal more at ease and "yourself" when high but it is not real...and nothing has been learned or gained other than a moments "pleasure"...I am not trying to criticize...just giving a perception of things....I wish people could see the potential within in themselves to reach that peace

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for our world spot...life keeps us high....but how many for what we label escape..and i think it matters not what label ...but it is but for some stepping stones even if not known at that time to sprititual growth...not done so to speak for spiritual growth...yes/no....

So what is a "drug"?
I think that for a meaningful discussion on this topic that is essential to define clearly.

Well shaw-n...would it not be any and all things that alter your state of being outside normal diet and exercise..and even those could be...there is a rush from diet..or from exercise..then there is the knowing that enough of these new drinks out are full of stuff to boost your energy and there is over the counter then prescription...some i think even use confrontation for a drug..not aware but if you pay attention to them after a chaotic state they are calm and doing fine again...my point would be..what is not a drug or emotional enhancement ..i dont know if that is a good way to phrase that but i am sure my point is taken...and now..were do we go from here and with all the people in this world on meds now days from so many different things...where are the lines...who would be considered not drug induced at some level...who is real and natural..hehe...it is true though..this years ago would seem extreme but i really think i is more the norm now days...yes/no....

The reason why I ask this is that such a discussion always gets bogged down right at the start when some will say that only illegal drugs are bad and all others are acceptable because they are legal.
Current legal status of various compounds is highly questionable for a variety of reasons.
It has changed radically throughout history depending on who was in power.
In the next few years you will see the Codex Alimentarius become law in North America and all herbal supplements will become legally defined as being drugs.
Even dandelions.
A mother giving her child multi-vitamins without a doctors prescription will then be subject to punative legal action as she will be breaking the law.
Does this make such things "right", or just legal?

To respond to something Kathy said that most people do drugs to escape is mostly correct.
People are looking for something to alter their reality and typically chose substances to achieve this.
Does it make you more spiritual?
NO.
But set and setting play a big part with all these substances.
The profane can be sacred and the sacred can be profane.
Just depends on your paradigm.
People will get out what they put in.

For some people LSD was an incredible catalyst which set them on a very wonderful spiritual path,
Others just became burnouts.

So there is no universal panacea that works for all.
There is no magic pill.
Besides, no matter what the compound the idea is to use such things as a catalyst and then go beyond the need for substance induced states of mind.

They can just show you the possibilities, it is up to the individual to actualize those possibilities in themselves without the need for the catalyst.
That is the positive use of therapeutic supplementation/enhancement to achieve beneficial results.
That is not escape.